F1 - 2022

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gr8kornholio

Would love to see F1 at Laguna.  Lol. But that is a short track.
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BruceK

Just a journalist making up a story? Or real possibility?   Last Monaco F1 race?

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MiniDave

There has been a lot of comment lately about Monaco, and what a lousy race it is - but I'll bet the real biggy is that it doesn't pay anything to have the race, unlike every other venue.
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Brit_in_TX

Or an article "placed" to help negotiations from one side or the other. 

Monaco is also the only circuit where F1 do not control trackside advertising, which is why you so a number of different advertisers from the normal races.



BruceK

Quote from: Brit_in_TX on April 04, 2022, 08:55:41 AM
Or an article "placed" to help negotiations from one side or the other. 

Monaco is also the only circuit where F1 do not control trackside advertising, which is why you so a number of different advertisers from the normal races.

Different advertisers? How about having free advertising with a corner on the circuit named for your Rascasse restaurant?    ;D
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Brit_in_TX

I enjoyed the Aussie GP, but the changes to the circuit did not delivery the overtaking that the claimed.

Ferrari look like they are competitive on the majority of track types. Leclerc already seems to be thinking about the championship, with his push for the fastest lap at the end.  This gave him a grand slam weekend (pole, race win and fastest lap). 

Red Bull have some reliability issues they need to deal with, all related to the fuel system.  Out of 6 entries in 3 races, they have retired 3 times.

Mercedes seem to be chipping away at their car, and they are the fastest behind the Ferrari and Red Bull teams.  Lewis again lost out with safety car, but it was good to see that Mercedes did not swap him and Russell at the end, so Russell could have his first podium for the team.

At the other end of the grid, Williams pulled off a master strategy getting Albon to finish 10th, when pitting him at the start of the final lap.  Aston Martin are having nightmare start to the season, and are the only team to not score a point.

The drivers are also complaining that the Aston Martin safety car is too slow, up to 5 seconds a lap slower than the Mercedes version.  So isn't just the green F1 cars that are slow!

MiniDave

#81
The Tifosi were out in force to watch......erm..........Max set pole time. Oops.

The weather conditions were shit, first it rained, then it dried up then it rained again - all in the same session!

If you managed to get a great time in the dry when it started raining again you were golden - which is what Max, Char and Lando did.....the Mercs OTOH were not so fortunate, but I'm not sure it would have made much difference - today they were going to be 10th or worse no matter what, and it's even worse in the rain where the Ferrari, Alfas and HAAS all seem to shine - as long as they can keep them on track, which Sainz, Schumi and Bottas didn't - well, Bottas had a mechanical of some sort.

All the additional red flags didn't help either. All in all qually was a mess!

This is the first weekend of the Sprint race format, so they were racing for pole, but for the short Sat race, not Sunday's. As I understand it, the winner of the Sprint race is the pole setter for Sunday, not the winner of qually.

Kmag in 4th was pretty spectacular too!

The rainmeisters were definitely evident today......Saturday's Sprint race is probably going to be dry, but Sunday might be in the rain, so talk about confusing the setup. Since the Sprint race pays points all the way to 8th place, do you set up for that or Sunday's maybe wet race?

They said Verstappen's rear wing in the rain sets looked like a barn door!

We'll see what happens tomorrow..... 71.gif

OH....and Sir Hammy was NOT happy!  ::)
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MiniDave

#82
Whether you like the idea of the Sprint race or not, one thing's for sure, it makes for an edge of your seat time as it's do or die almost from the get go - no tire changes and no worries about running out of gas!

This one was no exception - Max on pole and Char right beside him and again Max did not get a good start - tho he did manage to stay in 2nd.

Kmag slid down the order as DRS became available, but it was fun watching Mick climbing up the order - I think he's learning from Kmag, and of course having a better car always helps.

Both Sainz and Pez had a good race, each moving forward - in the end Max used DRS on the penultimate lap to get past Char and LeClerc was not able to do the same before the end, just like the race in Saudi.

Finishing order Red Bull, Ferrari, Red Bull, Ferrari......the rest

The two McLarens look like they're starting to come around too, while the Mercedes mostly looked woeful.....the Haminator lost 2 places at the start and only managed to get one back in the race, Russell didn't do much better losing one and gaining one back to finish where he started, in 11th......so the Mercs will start 11th and 14th tomorrow. Funny thing is, Russell was fastest in FP2 this morning.....

Rain is forecast for the race tomorrow, so it could get real interesting - some guys really shine in the rain, and it does tend to equalize the performance across the field so we could have a real interesting race with some new faces on the podium

HAAS will be starting 8th and 10th tomorrow, maybe Mick can get his first points of his F1 career?
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MiniDave

Well, it was a throw away race for Ferrari this weekend......Sainz taken out in the first lap and Char trying too hard to get to 2nd place spun and into the wall and was lucky to be able to finish - a stop after that for new tires and a new nose put him in 9th, he rallied back to 6th but threw away 7 points....

For Red Bull it was the perfect race weekend, dominating the Sprint race and getting maximum points in both events.

Mercedes punched above its weight class in getting George up to 4th, Hammy having a miserable race starting in 13th and finishing one place down from there and not being able to pass......well, anyone!

It's interesting to me the difference in fortunes withing the teams - George in 4th, Hammy in 14th - Lando on the podium in 3rd, Ricky racer mired in 18th - Bottas in 5th, Joe in 15th - Tsunoda well ahead of Gasly and so on.....

The worst had to be when the Hamster got lapped by Max.

I wonder how much longer Mercedes will stay with its current design, before giving up and going to what the other - successful - teams are doing?

The next race should prove interesting as none of the teams have ever raced there in Miami, plus it's a street circuit.....
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Brit_in_TX

Danny Ric/Carlos were unlucky at the start, with the first real corner in the wet!  McLaren confirmed after the race that Danny Ric had floor damage and that they tried the Hard tire as an experiment - which was a failure. Regardless Lando is out performing him everywhere right now.

Mercedes big issue right now, they aren't generating enough downforce as they have to run the car higher because of the porpoising issue.  I don't know how easy it is for Mercedes to fundamentally change their car design due to the limited amount of wind tunnel time they have - they have the least of their rivals.  I wonder if they will give up on this season and focus on next year soon.


Brit_in_TX

Both of the FIA Race Directors have tested positive for Covid.  To get into the USA you need a negative test.  So does that mean they will bring Michael Masi back?

MiniDave

The article I read said one of the deputy race directors would take over.....one of whom was already here. Anyway you cut it this has a lot of potential for fuck ups.....I won't be surprised to see some cars in the barriers all weekend long, especially on the first lap rundown to turn 1.
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MiniDave

Practice 1 in Miami, and so far only Bottas is into the barriers and banged his car up pretty good.

Lots of close calls in practice between cars coming out of the pits and doing slow/fast laps, so lots of opportunities for contacts, but so far everyone seems to be behaving.

Mercedes seems to be working OK at this track and def looks to be in the hunt this race...none of the cars seem to be porpoising like at other tracks and that may be what's helping the Mercs.

Ferrari, Mercedes and Red Bull are all going well, but the Big Macs haven't shown anything yet...Kmag in 9th vs Schumi in 18th is a cause for raised eyebrows at HAAS, Kmag has def been the star of the team this year since coming back to HAAS.

All in all a decent start to the Miami GP.

There are 40% chances of rain each day all weekend, so that could throw a wrench into the proceedings too.
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MiniDave

Qually for Miami

Interesting team dynamics again - the Ferraris make it 1-2 for Charle and Sainz, Max makes a mistake on his last lap of Q3, so he'll start third. Checo 4th and Bottas 5th in his Alfa/Ferrari.

Hammy got up to 6th, but Russel had a terrible qually after running really well in FP3 and could only manage 12th

Lando in 8th but Ricky Ricciardo clear down in 12th, Mick beats Kmag by just a smidge to take 15th

and I guess the rest don't matter, but both Alpha Tauris made it into the top 10 again, so good for them.
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BruceK

Fake water notwithstanding, i'm pretty amazed at the track facilities there for a temporary circuit.
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MiniDave

Plus, the place is absolutely packed with people spending cubic yards of money!  :-\
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BruceK

Race winner chauffeured in a Mini Moke with police escort!?!?

I didn't see that one coming.





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MiniDave

Well, I thought it was a pretty good race, Charles gave it his all in the last 10 laps but just couldn't get it done, Sainz held off Checo to his best finish of the year, all in all still a good race for Ferrari....but an even better one for Red Bull.

Seems we definitely have three teams in the mix now as the Mercs finished 5th and 6th, tho without the safety car I don't know if they would have been there.....maybe. Hamster still whining about not getting the right tires at the right time. But, they let him drive with his "jewelry" in, didn't they?

Russel's constant top 5 finishes have him ahead of Sainz in the driver's standings, and Max is now only 19 points behind Leclerc when he was 40 behind only two races ago.

The constructor's race is far closer, with only 6 points between the top two, and Mercedes not that far behind - 62 points - but with a LOT of races yet to go. I would not be surprised to see the standings tighten up even more before it's over with. All the other teams are just also rans at this point.

Shame about Mick, he was poised to get his first F1 point today and drove a great race till he got taken out. I don't know what was up with Kmag, he and Mick were running a strong 10 and 11 but they both finished terribly......
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Brit_in_TX

Quote from: BruceK on May 08, 2022, 03:04:16 PM
Race winner chauffeured in a Mini Moke with police escort!?!?

I didn't see that one coming.

It will be on BaT any day now  :D

Brit_in_TX

I was surprised we did not see more carnage, given the way Sainz and Ocon lost it into the chicane.

Felt sorry for Lando after getting clipped by Gasly, could he have given Gasly more room - Yes.  But it looked to me that Gasly was drifting across the track and not following the curve.

The top 3 in the cooldown room looked like they had really worked during that race, not often you see F1 drives that flushed and overheated.

Brit_in_TX

Quote from: BruceK on May 08, 2022, 09:59:49 AM
Fake water notwithstanding, i'm pretty amazed at the track facilities there for a temporary circuit.

One of the commentators for a practice session (might have been Jenson Button) said that we have never seen a more complete circuit for the first race.

I do wonder how it is financially sustainable to build that each year.  As the need to return it to a parking lot for the start of the football season!

MiniDave

I wonder if next year they'll have the "safer" type barriers instead of what they did this year, at least in the critical areas?
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Quote from: MiniDave on May 09, 2022, 07:54:45 AM
I wonder if next year they'll have the "safer" type barriers instead of what they did this year, at least in the critical areas?

You would think they would learn to but them everywhere!

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MiniDave

#99
Wow! That was a heck of a race in Spain......

Stunning ending, unfortunately....

It's clear Mercedes is back in it again, even tho they're about 1/2 second slower than Red Bull and Ferrari in ultimate pace, they seem to be able to race with them. Without DRS no matter what Max did he couldn't get past George - some of that has to be down to George's ability to fend him off, but when they let Perez go at George he breezed on by with DRS. He's going to have a discussion with Red Bull about the fact they made him let Max by....on the one hand Max is now the championship leader, OTOH I think Checo could have easily won that race. It's clear what Max thinks he should do of course..... ::)

So it's clearly a fight amongst the big three for the titles with Max now having the advantage.

Poor Sainz, if it wasn't for bad luck.....still, he fought back hard to finish where he did.

The Hamster was ready to give up after his puncture on the first lap, yet fought back from dead last to almost finish on the podium till he started overheating.

Hammy is going to have a decision to make now - with the car showing clear improvement - he's been given one more race to make a decision on the nose stud. If he won't remove it, they'll bench him. With the car he had the first four races I would have bet on him to say fuck it and sit down, but now with a decent car?? However, George has finished ahead of him in every race this year.....

I like the fact that management has decided to enforce the rules - all of them - now. They're being fairly stringent about track limits too - there is no grey area either. If you go off, you go off. Obviously if you spin or get forced off that's a different matter.....
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