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Title: F1 - 2022
Post by: Brit_in_TX on October 26, 2021, 03:45:04 PM
At the Austin race they had the mock up of the 2022 car.  Be interesting if this is what they look like once the boffins are finished with squeezing every lost drop of competitive advantage out of them.

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Title: Re: F1 - 2022
Post by: MiniDave on October 26, 2021, 04:19:37 PM
F1 is getting closer and closer to being a spec race series.....
Title: Re: F1 - 2022
Post by: MiniDave on November 07, 2021, 06:13:47 PM
What a race, the 1st lap kefluffle really killed it for Bought Ass, coupled with a slow stop later in the race just ruined his day, but Max literally blew past Hammy into the first turn so it was a fair and good start for him. He said before the race that if he couldn't be starting first he'd rather start third, and he made that strategy work cleanly. After that it was just a matter of driving off into the sunset...and the victory.

Checho was SO close to finishing ahead of the Hamster but just could not make it happen.....

Ferrari had a decent race finishing 5th and 6th, but I'm really impressed with Pierre Gasly who finished 4th for Toro Rosso.....erm Alpha Tauri

Ferrari has passed McLaren for third in the championship.

Three former champions finished 7, 8 and 9....Vettel, Kim and Alonso, and Lando got 10th

Mercedes put new tires on Bottas so he could deny Red bull the fastest lap (he set a new track record too) so Merc still leads the constructor's by 1 point.

Title: Re: F1 - 2022
Post by: Brit_in_TX on November 08, 2021, 12:56:33 PM
Bottas is in negotiation to test the Alfa Romeo at the end of season test, in mid December.

Williams have announced they will not build a "mule" car for the end of season test to test the new wheels and pirelli tires. 
Title: Re: F1 - 2022
Post by: MiniDave on November 08, 2021, 01:53:41 PM
He well should get some time with the team and in the new cars.....I still think the $30 million dollar man will be his teammate.....even tho Giovanazzi has been showing real improvement this year.

Hammy's thowin shade at Bottas, saying he let Max thru - not that it would have made any difference since his pace was so good.

But what do they expect? Dropping the guy mid season after 5-6 years of one year contracts? If they'd been smart they would have move lonesome George up the day they announced Bought Ass was leaving. I guess they thought Bottas would continue to support the Hamster's efforts to win his 8th......HA! Screw THAT!
Title: Re: F1 - 2022
Post by: Brit_in_TX on November 09, 2021, 06:29:21 PM
If they'd been smart they would have move lonesome George up the day they announced Bought Ass was leaving. I guess they thought Bottas would continue to support the Hamster's efforts to win his 8th......HA! Screw THAT!

Probably would have cost them millions to buy him out of his contract, as he is probably meeting all of his performance requirements.  He is also gets a pretty decent bonus if Merc win the constructors championship. 

Looking at this website he Bottas does pretty well for himself (I assume that is before bonuses).  The surprise for me is how much Leclerc gets vs Sainz.  Also Norris signed an extension in the middle of the year, so I imagine he has is in the 10s of millions now, as he is keeping Riccardo honest and he is a fan favorite.

https://salarysport.com/motorsport/formula-1/team-salaries/ (https://salarysport.com/motorsport/formula-1/team-salaries/)
Title: Re: F1 - 2022
Post by: Brit_in_TX on November 16, 2021, 09:50:40 AM
Final seat has been confirmed for 2022.  Giovinazzi is being dropped by Alfa Romeo - no surprise from me there he has not really shown the speed to qualify for promotion to Ferrari (he is or at least was a Ferrari Academy driver). 

Guanyu Zhou has been confirmed as the first chinese F1 driver.  Which got leaked at the weekend as a Alfa Romeo dealer in Shanghai put up posters confirming it!  Absolutely nothing to do with the $30 million in sponsorship he brings  22.gif

 
Title: Re: F1 - 2022
Post by: BruceK on November 16, 2021, 10:43:05 AM

Guanyu Zhou has been confirmed as the first chinese F1 driver.  Which got leaked at the weekend as a Alfa Romeo dealer in Shanghai put up posters confirming it!  Absolutely nothing to do with the $30 million in sponsorship he brings  22.gif

And that has nothing at all to do with grabbing eyeballs for marketing purposes from the massive Chinese market. 

Not unlike when Hollywood adds a random Chinese character into a movie cast to help it sell better to Chinese audiences. 

Title: Re: F1 - 2022
Post by: MiniDave on November 16, 2021, 11:13:45 AM
Final seat has been confirmed for 2022.  Giovinazzi is being dropped by Alfa Romeo - no surprise from me there he has not really shown the speed to qualify for promotion to Ferrari (he is or at least was a Ferrari Academy driver). 

Guanyu Zhou has been confirmed as the first chinese F1 driver.  Which got leaked at the weekend as a Alfa Romeo dealer in Shanghai put up posters confirming it!  Absolutely nothing to do with the $30 million in sponsorship he brings  22.gif

Ha! Called it.......
Title: Re: F1 - 2022
Post by: MiniDave on November 21, 2021, 04:37:18 PM
Well, another somewhat predictable race, and one that tightens up both championships as Bought Ass once again gets a terrible start, winds up mired in the back of the field, fights his way forward only to have bad luck - a blown tire and later he has to retire from the race.

Nice finish for one guy tho.....and a real surprise! He got a great start but used a good strategy to finish on the podium.

I was surprised Checho didn't catch him by the end, but still good points for Reds Bull.
Title: Re: F1 - 2022
Post by: pbraun on December 02, 2021, 10:46:50 AM
Holy crap!  Did you see the prices for F1 tickets in 2022 - in Miami or Austin?  TV for me.
Title: Re: F1 - 2022
Post by: MiniDave on December 02, 2021, 01:30:14 PM
Yeah, we tried to go to Austin last year (or the year before maybe) tix for turn 6 were going to run us $1200 each.

Pass. Maybe if they go back to 20,000 rpm V10's or V12's......
Title: Re: F1 - 2022
Post by: gr8kornholio on December 02, 2021, 05:44:52 PM
And $10 for water. $20 for a turkey leg. EtcÖ. And that was 5 or so years ago.
Title: Re: F1 - 2022
Post by: Brit_in_TX on December 03, 2021, 05:31:44 PM
Yeah, we tried to go to Austin last year (or the year before maybe) tix for turn 6 were going to run us $1200 each.

WOW! I don't think shared hospitality is much more than that! And that includes free beer!
Title: Re: F1 - 2022
Post by: Brit_in_TX on December 14, 2021, 10:47:44 AM
So the 2022 season started today with a test of mule cars using the 18 inch wheels and some young drivers in 2021 spec cars.

Shows that F1 never pauses, Max Verstappen was back in the car today 2 days after securing the world championship!
Title: Re: F1 - 2022
Post by: MiniDave on December 14, 2021, 11:00:05 AM
First real test in Barcelona in Feb?

Gonna be a long wait..... :(
Title: Re: F1 - 2022
Post by: Brit_in_TX on December 14, 2021, 12:17:03 PM
Even with it being the latest season finish in years if not ever!
Title: Re: F1 - 2022
Post by: MiniDave on December 18, 2021, 09:44:35 AM
Starting the F1 season off with a bang! The FIA elect a "non-European" to replace Todt....

https://www.grandprix247.com/2021/12/17/ben-sulayem-has-no-forgiveness-if-hamilton-broke-fia-awards-rules/?fbclid=IwAR20heMAF6isTC3PVsUNzJjCez6bWNrXPtHWwrNpYR1le3bt0j8c8Q95MME (https://www.grandprix247.com/2021/12/17/ben-sulayem-has-no-forgiveness-if-hamilton-broke-fia-awards-rules/?fbclid=IwAR20heMAF6isTC3PVsUNzJjCez6bWNrXPtHWwrNpYR1le3bt0j8c8Q95MME)

And he seems to be a strict "follow the damn rules" kind of guy? Wonder how that will impact the on-track rules, like staying on the racing surface?

He's not impressed that the Hamster did not show up at the awards gala.....I can understand Hammy not being happy about going, but them rules is the rules! Says he may have to punish the Hamminator for not coming to the party.....as it's "mandatory" for the top three in the Championship.

Next year might turn out to be more like WWE (WWF? Whatever they call themselves these days) than racing, we'll see......
Title: Re: F1 - 2022
Post by: pbraun on December 18, 2021, 09:51:44 AM
First real test in Barcelona in Feb?

Gonna be a long wait..... :(

Maybe not a race but still could be a great time - europe with f1!
Title: Re: F1 - 2022
Post by: MiniDave on December 20, 2021, 01:41:42 PM
Audi entering F1 as an engine supplier?

Looks like it may happen.....

https://www.racefans.net/2021/12/20/audi-tells-fia-it-intends-to-confirm-f1-entry-early-next-year/?fbclid=IwAR1fmnVpSHh7NSNvva9N_mHKqTpCNJehTeJxBv_JppblKe804h5gDuyT3Zs (https://www.racefans.net/2021/12/20/audi-tells-fia-it-intends-to-confirm-f1-entry-early-next-year/?fbclid=IwAR1fmnVpSHh7NSNvva9N_mHKqTpCNJehTeJxBv_JppblKe804h5gDuyT3Zs)

The article hints that for 2026 the MGUK is going away....
Title: Re: F1 - 2022
Post by: BruceK on December 20, 2021, 03:51:40 PM
SoÖ looking down the road a bit, hereís a question:  How long do you think it will be until there are no longer internal combustion engines in F1 and the series goes full electric?  In other words F1 effectively becomes Formula E?  Iím thinking within the next  8-10 years, if not sooner.   Technology will continue to improve of course, and F1 is supposed to be at the forefront of automotive technology - it canít stay in the backwater of still using internal combustion engines indefinitely.

I think part of the timeline will be dictated by how quickly regular road cars go full electric.  And of course that is accelerating rapidly. Mercedes-Benz has announced by 2030 they will only sell electric vehicles.  Jaguar will go all-electric even sooner, by 2025. Audi will by 2026, and Ford by 2030 (in Europe).  GM will only sell electric cars by 2035 worldwide, and so on. With that in mind I canít see 2021 F1 Constructors Champions Mercedes Benz, for example, happily running a F1 team in 2030 that still uses gasoline engines in its racecars.  Yes, of course it wonít be individual teams making their own engine decisions, it will require a massive change in the the nature of the F1 sport itself.    So I think the push for that change will come from either the teams, or by the FIA looking out for the future relevance of the sport. Or maybe both.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-10/which-cars-going-all-electric-and-when/100529330
Title: Re: F1 - 2022
Post by: MiniDave on December 20, 2021, 04:13:28 PM
Good point, Audi will be all electric by 2026, the year they will enter F1 with a gasoline or at least ICE?
Title: Re: F1 - 2022
Post by: BruceK on December 20, 2021, 04:25:27 PM
Good point, Audi will be all electric by 2026, the year they will enter F1 with a gasoline or at least ICE?

Doesnít make any sense, does it?  Of course there a certain prestige associated with being a sponsor/team in F1, but separate from that thereís always been an underlying current that the cool technology in F1 will somehow filter down to improvements in the automotive sponsorís road cars. (Think Renault and turbocharging back in the Ď80s for example).  How does that fit if Audi dealerships offer only electric vehicles yet the Audi F1 racecar is still an old-fashioned piston-powered relic?  A bit of a disconnect I think.
Title: Re: F1 - 2022
Post by: gr8kornholio on December 21, 2021, 09:38:11 AM
Thread stealer, but I just donít buy the whole electrification of cars.
First off, they better make them a lot more affordable and how about reliability and what do you do with all those glorious chemical batteries when they fail.  All heard stories of how insanely expensive it is to recycle them. 
Next is infrastructure, whoís footing the bill for electric power stations all over the world, the oil companies.  And like they are just going to rollover and stop making uncountable amounts of money?   
Then when we all have our cars plugged in to the sad electric infrastructure that canít even handle AC in the summers and heat in the winters for the current population how many brown out black out whatever is that going to cause. 
I just donít buy it.  Sounds like a great idea, but so did nuclear power from the sales guy.  Maybe a monorail is the answer.  Homer out.

Back to your regular scheduled race talk.
Title: Re: F1 - 2022
Post by: BruceK on December 21, 2021, 10:27:23 PM
Mark, I hear you.  You bring up some really good points about infrastructure lacking, environmental concerns, and EV affordability, not to mention the idea that the average person would be willing to make a switch from a ďregular carĒ.   Yet the ďexpertsĒ believe there will be an exponential growth to EVs with fully 50% of all new cars sold in the US being electric ones by 2030.  And even higher percentages for EVs are predicted for Europe and China by 2030. 

I remember some people I worked with (of course not all) dismissing the brand new iPhone when it was launched back in 2007.  Remember, these were people in the telecommunications industry and the Company I work for was the sole network provider of the iPhone - there was no other competition other cell phone companies and there were no other smartphones from other makers at that time. These people just didnít see the need for a fancy cell phone that connected to the Internet, and one that hosted various third-party apps.  Why would anyone need them they asked. They were convinced that the smartphone was a silly toy and there was no way that the telecommunications infrastructure could handle the data needs of lots of people on iPhones connecting to the Internet all at the same time.  These were people who joined the company when it was a landlines only enterprise and charging people a lot of money to make long-distance calls was a big profit center.  That was the world they knew which framed their limited outlook.  Yet in just 5 years or so nearly all cellphones sold were smartphones and many people felt they could not live without them for all the features like maps and videos and games and Google and texting and emails and as a total replacement for a standalone camera. Nobody really saw that coming and yet the change happened very quickly.

Of course, even if 50% of new car sales are electric by 2030 that still means there will still be millions and millions of gasoline powered cars on the road. So they wonít be some drastic overnight change to electric, especially considering the average age of a car on US roads is 12 years old right now.
Title: Re: F1 - 2022
Post by: gr8kornholio on December 22, 2021, 08:29:51 AM
You make a good point.  Lots of people try to hide in the past.  Iím all for the electric car, just I see all the pit falls of it.  If there was a cleaner longer lasting battery technology then I can see it taking off.  Agree also that the smaller or city central countries will be the first to transition. 

The thing with the phone analogy is up until the last 6 or so years all service providers were offering free phones with 2 year contract so maybe if someone wants to build a network of electric charging stations across the country people can sign up on a 2 year plan to use them and get a free electric car 😁
Title: Re: F1 - 2022
Post by: Brit_in_TX on December 22, 2021, 09:11:08 AM
Of course, even if 50% of new car sales are electric by 2030 that still means there will still be millions and millions of gasoline powered cars on the road. So they wonít be some drastic overnight change to electric, especially considering the average age of a car on US roads is 12 years old right now.

That is a huge factor, to get to 50% of cars being fully EV is probably going to be sometime in 2035-2040. 

There was an interview from some senior executive at Ford  that certain groups of customers are not ready for electric vehicles in the near future - mainly rural customers and professional drivers who do mega mileage. So for some brands they will retain some form of internal combustion engine, it really depends on what their respective market will accept.  I imagine that Audi and Jaguar customers are more urban and that will work for those brands.  Ford, GM and Ram - less likely to go all electric in the short to medium term.  Also there are brands in the world that sell a lot of cars in countries where they simply do not have a reliable electrical network (looking at you Toyota) - they will not be getting rid of the internal combustion engine any time soon.

Back to F1, I see them using the regulations to improve efficiency.  For example, reducing the amount of fuel that is available during the race.  Also targeting engine efficiency in the regulations - F1 engines are some of the most efficient in the world in terms of capturing heat and kinetic energy that would normally by lost. 

The biggest limitation in F1 going all electric and EVs in general is battery technology, which has not advanced much in the last 20 years or so.  Lithium-ion technology was discovered in the 70s and become commercially available in the 90s but has not changed greatly in that time.  There is a lot of research going into Graphene, which has a million and one potential uses - including in batteries, which would give an enormous increase in battery capacity (when compared to the same physical size) and therefore range.
Title: Re: F1 - 2022
Post by: gr8kornholio on December 23, 2021, 11:57:53 AM
It would be strange though to attend a motor race where you canít hear the motors.  Maybe electric motors of those power levels will make some cool banshee type wails.
Title: Re: F1 - 2022
Post by: MiniDave on December 23, 2021, 12:10:34 PM
That's just one of the issues - crash safety with batteries is another....of course they've already been running Formula E with no real incidents so far, so maybe that's no biggie.....but after Grosjean's fireball crash I don't know how safe they are.

Maybe they could make cool artificial sounds like the pod racers?   77.gif
Title: Re: F1 - 2022
Post by: BruceK on January 08, 2022, 12:01:57 PM
A little peek into F1 (and Grand Prix) history.  Amazing it still exists.  And great that the locals have begun to refurbish it.

Title: Re: F1 - 2022
Post by: MiniDave on January 08, 2022, 01:22:47 PM
His French seems remarkable good.....

What an interesting time capsule!   77.gif
Title: Re: F1 - 2022
Post by: BruceK on January 08, 2022, 05:29:51 PM
His French seems remarkable good.....


Yes, he speaks fluid French, and had lots of interesting videos on YouTube. 
Title: Re: F1 - 2022
Post by: MiniDave on January 08, 2022, 07:14:43 PM
A long time ago I found a movie (not a video - although it was on YouTube) of Sidney Allard getting ready to run LeMans. They set up shop - (a couple of tarps on the ground and a tent IIRC) - on the grass along the Mulsanne well ahead of the race weekend and what was fascinating to me was to see people in all walks of life driving, walking and cycling along the Mulsanne - and every so often a race car or three would go roaring by. Including the Cunningham "Le Monstre" Cadillace with its weird body work.

So I was watching the cars going by on the road in this Gouex video and wondering where the course was exactly as it looked a LONG ways before there would be a turn of any sort.
Title: Re: F1 - 2022
Post by: BruceK on January 08, 2022, 08:45:12 PM
In the video, thereís a brief shot of a map which outlines the old race course. Most of it still exists as roads but there is a small gap where it just looks like farmland.
Title: Re: F1 - 2022
Post by: pbraun on January 10, 2022, 10:48:30 AM
Regardless........we already have Formula E for those electric car fans.

Another thought:  What's this all about HAM quitting all his social media sites and rumoring he may hang up his helmet?

 WTF? Rosberg did it, but he wasn't on top, just had the money.  HAM sure does, but just cause he felt scooped by the FIA on that final lap.......... come on........he has more guts than that wimpy move.  I don't get it I suppose.

Haven't seen anything about this for a while?   Anyone know what's happening?
Title: Re: F1 - 2022
Post by: MiniDave on January 10, 2022, 12:14:34 PM
Rumors are rife.....but I think he'll be back.

I wonder who Merc would replace him with if he did quit cold like Rosbug did? They need an experienced driver to pair with George - maybe Nico would come back?   ;D
Title: Re: F1 - 2022
Post by: Brit_in_TX on January 17, 2022, 02:06:23 PM
So there has been a few changes around team leadership in the last week or so.

Otmar Szafnauer has left Aston Martin, this was rumored during the season, and has now happened.  The money is on him going to Alpine, which leads me on to Marcin Budkowski has left Alpine, with no obviously place to go.  Also Alpine have not renewed the advisor contract they had with Alain Prost.

Aston Martin have announced that Mike Krack is going to be Team Principal, who came from BMW and ran their motorsport operations.

In addition to Otmar going to Alpine, looks like the BWF company (the ones behind the pink cars) is jumping from Aston Martin to Alpine.  There were rumors earlier in the season they were unhappy with the lack of pink branding on the Aston Martin, which was apparently to the letter of the agreement but not the spirit of it. 

Other sponsorships not being renewed, Bose have not renewed with Mercedes.  Wonder if that was to do with Toto smashing his highly branded headset during the Saudi GP?
Title: Re: F1 - 2022
Post by: Brit_in_TX on January 17, 2022, 02:15:24 PM
Rumors are rife.....but I think he'll be back.

I wonder who Merc would replace him with if he did quit cold like Rosbug did? They need an experienced driver to pair with George - maybe Nico would come back?   ;D

Saw today that Mercedes have been quietly talking to some drivers about replacing Hamilton. High on the list is Gasly.  Not sure how it would happen contractually, but he seems to be a star of the future with his performances in the junior Red Bull. 
Title: Re: F1 - 2022
Post by: MiniDave on January 17, 2022, 02:47:12 PM
I've been wondering which way they would jump if Hamster took his ball and went home....and I've been wondering if what happened in Abu Dabi has less to do with Hammy's leaving the big show than the possibility that the Merc's will not have their Penske unfair advantage any more and he does NOT like being anywhere but out front?

Gasly is an interesting consideration - but why wouldn't they get Bought-Ass right back again? Maybe the multi-year contract he has with Alfa might keep him there?

I would like to see pink cars back on the track - they're easy to spot amongst all the others - but I don't know how well pink trim will go with yellow and blue on the Alpine?

Just when you thought everything was all set in F1, the musical chairs dance starts up again!
Title: Re: F1 - 2022
Post by: BruceK on January 17, 2022, 03:00:12 PM
If Hamilton goes we will have missed out on Russell versus Hamilton which I think would be very interesting.
Title: Re: F1 - 2022
Post by: Brit_in_TX on January 18, 2022, 11:25:44 AM
We will find out pretty soon, as Merc have announced their car launch date (Feb 18).  And there will be a shake down of the car after that and traditionally the race drivers have done the shakedown. 
Title: Re: F1 - 2022
Post by: MiniDave on January 18, 2022, 11:27:46 AM
I still think the Hamster will be back.....
Title: Re: F1 - 2022
Post by: MiniDave on January 31, 2022, 11:41:43 AM
So......Honda has changed its mind and will build red Bull's engines till 2025, when Porsche will jump in.....

I still think Audi will be buying McLaren - deal to be announced soon.

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/honda-set-to-extend-direct-red-bull-supply-to-2025/7677145/?fbclid=IwAR3qEdZvpEhLIz1wHAH0Q49HH76WkLUxl8WzxDco0xusNAZCcVtaW8woHoU (https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/honda-set-to-extend-direct-red-bull-supply-to-2025/7677145/?fbclid=IwAR3qEdZvpEhLIz1wHAH0Q49HH76WkLUxl8WzxDco0xusNAZCcVtaW8woHoU)
Title: Re: F1 - 2022
Post by: pbraun on February 04, 2022, 10:04:36 AM
I'm gonna buy an older corvette or mustang, mod it up and run it on avgas, louden up the exhaust and just run it in the driveway and around town a bit just to annoy my stiff neighbors, then have a cigar and bourbon while it cools down.

ha ha ha HA !
Title: Re: F1 - 2022
Post by: pbraun on February 05, 2022, 11:28:36 AM
I think we should do a poll, or something as to whether or not HAM will race this year. 71.gif

And when will he announce one way or the other.
Title: Re: F1 - 2022
Post by: MiniDave on February 25, 2022, 09:54:15 AM
Well, as expected, the Haminator will be in the Merc again this year......and claims he's ready to fight for the title.  ::)

But even more newsworthy - HAAS has dropped their Russian sponsor and removed their name from their livery. For now they are keeping Mazespin (and his money I'll bet) but I'm thinking they told daddy that if he wants his son in F1, cash and no names.  :-\

It matters not one whit what happens in these early days of testing but so far both Ferrari and McLaren look quick.

OH, and the Russian GP has been removed from the schedule......

Mazespin has been careful in what he says about the events in Ukraine, but I wonder if come the start of the season he will still be driving for HAAS......or anyone? Maybe as a chauffeur for his dad?

The Guardian, meanwhile, points out that Mazepinís seat is also in question because of possible visa bans on Russians, meaning he may not be able to enter, much less compete in, most countries with Formula 1 races.
Title: Re: F1 - 2022
Post by: MiniDave on March 05, 2022, 03:42:52 PM
HAAS send lil Nikki back home to poppa.....

The Haas Formula 1 Team say they have terminated Nikita Mazepinís contract and their title partnership with Uralkali with immediate effect.

ďHaas F1 Team has elected to terminate, with immediate effect, the title partnership of Uralkali, and the driver contract of Nikita Mazepin,Ē said a statement from the team.

ďAs with the rest of the Formula 1 community, the team is shocked and saddened by the invasion of Ukraine and wishes for a swift and peaceful end to the conflict.Ē

So, who will HAAS tap for the empty seat? At first glance you would think they would go after someone who can bring money to the table like Alfa did with their new Chinese rookie......but I don't know who that would be.

Possibles:

Giovanzzi - def a solid choice, but I don't think he brings anything new to the team.

Peitro Fittipaldi - certainly has the right name, and probably some backing thru his Grandpa Emmo, currently their backup driver so already integrated into the team - but a complete rookie too.

How about KMag? Seems like he would be a good choice if he can get out of his current sports car contracts?

Oscar Piastri - has won three titles in the last three years - F Renault, F3 and F2.....seems logical to have him jump in BUT he's already contracted to Alpine......could get sticky placing your driver with a rival team, but it's been done before.

The Hulk - seems like the perfect choice to me, he has skillz, he has plenty of experience but I don't know if he can bring the needed $$$ to the table.

Who's your pick?

Whoever they tap, they need to get it done right now.....
Title: Re: F1 - 2022
Post by: BruceK on March 06, 2022, 04:42:12 PM
My guess is the Hulkster.  Just a wild guess.
Title: Re: F1 - 2022
Post by: MiniDave on March 06, 2022, 06:33:21 PM
I'm thinking Giovanazzi or Fitti.......both are in the program already, and both have a firm history with Ferrari.

Even tho I think the Hulk would be a good choice.
Title: Re: F1 - 2022
Post by: MiniDave on March 09, 2022, 12:47:57 PM
And we have the answer!

https://www.haasf1team.com/news/kevin-magnussen-returns-haas-f1-team?fbclid=IwAR2BjAgcMaoY8J7cML6LLQljLrZlGPNns_7gmm25bz5sKgUTAAPRNTZZcMg (https://www.haasf1team.com/news/kevin-magnussen-returns-haas-f1-team?fbclid=IwAR2BjAgcMaoY8J7cML6LLQljLrZlGPNns_7gmm25bz5sKgUTAAPRNTZZcMg)
Title: Re: F1 - 2022
Post by: MiniDave on March 18, 2022, 08:23:38 PM
2022 is shaping up to be an interesting year in F1.

Lots of changes to deal with including chassis changes, going from 13 to 18" wheels, driver changes and for once Mercedes is NOT having a good time of it, and I don't think they're just sandbagging it.

So, Red Bull is off and running with one of the best runup to the races in memory, but the boys in red jammies seem to have the measure of them too....less than a tenth behind so far.

Some of the teams have reported real issues with the cars bouncing or porposing - in fact all of the teams seem to have had issues with it at first, but some like Red Bull, Ferrari and Alpine seem to have fixed it while Mercedes, Aston and Williams have not. Haas, Alfa and Alpha seem to have it down to "not really an issue" status too....McLaren is a complete unknown at this point but they seem to be in the latter camp too.

All in all it looks to be  a fun race weekend in the making with lots of new faces on the grid - and some old ones too with KMag getting the nod from HAAS and settling in really well,, running as high as 10th, which considering last year is a MAJOR step up for them.

In the best moment of all, Bottas in the Alfa was faster than BOTH Mercedes drivers in FP2......got to be some good natured smirks over that on his face!

So, qually tomorrow to set the stage. I expect Max to be on pole with the Red cars right behind him and Pez, Alonslo, Lando and the others right behind them.

With the increased ability to run close to the cars ahead, there could be some interesting passes and even a few crazy banzai moves tried this weekend too.
Title: Re: F1 - 2022
Post by: BruceK on March 19, 2022, 01:55:19 PM
Great Qually!  Itís still amazing to me that teams can build entirely new cars following entirely new regulations and still come within 1/10 of a second in the first real competition of qualifying.   And itís great to see some of the other teams like Alfa Romeo and Haas and Alpha Tauri up in the top 10.  Iím sure Bottas is thrilled to be ahead of one of the Mercedes! 

Really looking forward to the race tomorrow! 
Title: Re: F1 - 2022
Post by: MiniDave on March 19, 2022, 03:34:42 PM
Yes, I think it's going to be an interesting race....and I don't count the Benzer boys out as they seemed to go faster as the long runs developed.

So, still the same old boys in the front of the grid, Reds Bull, Ferrari and Merc, but the midfield has changed quite a bit. The main change for me seems to be the improvement in the Ferrari engines - Hass and Alfa are also both doing much better this season and I think a lot of it has to be down to the Ferrari power unit.

It's nice to see that Red Bull hasn't lost anything by taking over the Honda power units too, but I think the real performance enhancement is still the Newey chassis.

So, Ferrari to lead 1 and 3, Sainz was right there with him, Max in 2nd. KMag in 7th in the HAAS(!!!!) and Bottas in 6th ahead of Russel - that has to be sweet for him.....so it will be one hell of an interesting start tot he race tomorrow.

I'm looking forward to the race tomorrow too!
Title: Re: F1 - 2022
Post by: MiniDave on March 20, 2022, 12:14:09 PM
wow, what a race.....

Actual passing, actual race driving, some retirements, lots of different pit stop strategies and an unbelievable podium.....

And nice to hear another new national anthem on the podium too!

This promises to be an interesting year in F1!

In just seven days - another race.   77.gif

Title: Re: F1 - 2022
Post by: BruceK on March 20, 2022, 03:58:46 PM
I second that!  Great race!  Loved the dicing between Max and Charles.  And the cars sure seem to be able to race a lot closer this year.  Instead of Lewis being the whiner, Max won top points for complaining and more complaining.  Not something to be proud of.

I love the joyful sound of the Italian national anthem.  I remember Vettel just used to hum along.
Title: Re: F1 - 2022
Post by: MiniDave on March 20, 2022, 05:45:00 PM
I think if there hadn't been a safety car the podium might have looked different - at least for third place.

One thing stood out - some teams did two stops, some three and some four! Only Honda engined cars didn't finish the race, and Ferrari powered cars were almost all in the top 10 finishers (6 of the top 11). Positions 12-17 were all Mercedes powered.

All in all an interesting race.

Mercedes is nowhere close to where they finished, so kudos to them for their reliability and strategy to get them where they are at the end, if we don't see Red Bull failures next weekend I expect them (Mercedes) to be further down the order at the finish.

And how about Kmag? First race back and he was in the top 10 all the way!

Disappointed in both the BigMacs and Astons, running back there with the Williams pair....

Nowhere to go but up for them.....

Kudo's to "Joe" for getting a 10th place points paying finish in his first race - and with an Alfa no less!

Bottas got another of his patented terrible starts but came back from it to finish well.....which shows there is strength in both the Alfa package and him.

I think the real takeaway is that Ferrari's engine package is at least the match for anything on the grid now.
Title: Re: F1 - 2022
Post by: Brit_in_TX on March 21, 2022, 03:49:24 PM
It was a great race.  I am glad that there are two teams fighting at the front, I just hope that it is maintained regardless of the circuit.

With Mercedes being 3rd best, and the rest of the Mercedes engine runners being at the back, my question is whether the Mercedes engine is that bad and the Mercedes car is actually really good to make up the difference.  Honda (or whatever it is officially called), with 3 of the 4 runners not finishing - they have to be worried about the reliability.  Not something they can easily fix for the second race this weekend. 

The biggest disappointment for me is McLaren - looks like they really have missed the mark with the car. 

And my final observation - all of the drivers that returned to F1 this weekend beat their team mates - some with little or no testing.  Albon beat Latifi, Hulkenberg beat Stroll and Magnesson beat Schumacher.  Really shows that money does not necessarily buy talent!
Title: Re: F1 - 2022
Post by: MiniDave on March 26, 2022, 10:35:36 AM
Interesting discussion today about the race in Saudi - there was an oil refinery less than 10 miles away that was blown up by a missile strike from Yemen.......the drivers held a meeting about whether or not they were going to race given what had just happened. The meeting lasted 4 hours and apparently was ended by the Saudis who told organizers the race would proceed or they would not be allowed to leave SA.

Qually is to take place today as planned.......
Title: Re: F1 - 2022
Post by: BruceK on March 26, 2022, 11:24:31 AM
Not leave the country?  Sounds like Saudi.  Um, without getting political I spent 3 weeks working in The Kingdom about 20 years ago and while the local people I met there were nice, there was very much a black and white approach to things. Something either ďisĒ or it ďisnítĒ, no room for shades of grey.  No wiggle room.  Before entering the country I had to sign a document acknowledging that I understood the penalty for breaking the law for things such as possession of drugs would be death.  No appeals in the western sense.  Just a Saturday afternoon appointment in ďchop chop squareĒ for my public beheading.  That kind of reality is a bit sobering.  And it sure makes you watch every step you take. 

So from the Saudi perspective there will be a race or there wonít. And there will be a race as planned and promised.  Otherwise they would lose so much international ďfaceď. 

I hope the race takes place without incident. 
Title: Re: F1 - 2022
Post by: MiniDave on March 26, 2022, 11:55:22 AM
Well, a couple of interesting trends have shown up again this weekend on track - the bottom half of the order are all Mercedes powered cars - including Mercedes itself in 11th and 14th.

LeClerc looks strong again but they say Max has about 3/10'ths in his pocket still. I think the Red Bull is well suited to this track and will get in first and stay there with the Ferraris right behind them and Perez in there too.

The rest of the top 10 field is a toss up between the Alfa, Alpha and maybe even the Alpine, with Kmag thrown in the middle there somewhere.

It has been interesting to see the guys who were out of the car come back so strong as someone pointed out in the last race - and they're doing it in this one too.

Qually later tonight should be fun to watch.

Mercedes has to be scratching their collective heads about why they're this far off the pace.....but it's not just them.....McLaren and Aston are right there too along with Williams.

OTOH, all the Ferrari powered cars are running at the top or near the top of the order - quite a change from 2 seasons ago, isn't it?
Title: Re: F1 - 2022
Post by: MiniDave on March 26, 2022, 03:30:41 PM
HECK of a qualifying today!

After the horrifying crash of Mick Schumacher in Q2 (he's OK but won't run tomorrow) Q3 promised to be a real fight, and in an absolute surprise after the Ferraris had been setting the pace all weekend, Checo came good at the end by only hundreths to take his first poll in 225 tries!

I'm glad to see Perez getting better and better with the Red Bull.....

so the order for tomorrow's race

P1 - Perez in his Red Bull
2 - LeClerc for Ferrari
3 - Sainz also Ferrari
4 - Verstappen Red Bull
5 - Ocon Alpine
6 - Russell Mercedes - and having less issues with it than the Hamster
7 - Alonso - Alpine
8 - Bottas Alfa
9 - Gasly - Alpha Tauri
10 - KMag - HAAS

notables - Hamster in P16 - he's looked miserable all weekend so far, the 2 Big Macs in 11th and 12th

I'll bet Aston can't wait for Vettel to come out of quarantine!
Title: Re: F1 - 2022
Post by: gr8kornholio on March 26, 2022, 06:41:32 PM
Was so glad when Red Bull picked up checo.  He did amazing stuff in the pink car the years he was in it.  Now heís got real equipment and doing good.  I still believe if he hadnít fought the hamster sooo hard at the last race then no way on earth would max have won it.  Even with fresh tires and one lap cause instead of fighting checo, hamster wouldíve been out front cruising. 
Title: Re: F1 - 2022
Post by: BruceK on March 27, 2022, 03:05:36 PM
Well I enjoyed that race!  The new regulations this year really have allowed much closer racing, and itís great to see it.   It was great that Alpine allowed itís drivers to really dice with each other.   Really tough luck for a lot of drivers including Perez who was doing so well then just got caught under the safety car.  Last year I thought Hamilton did a lot of whining and complaining but this year itís definitely Verstappen whoís taking over in that regard.
Title: Re: F1 - 2022
Post by: MiniDave on March 27, 2022, 05:50:56 PM
Whew! That was fun!

I see what you mean about Max taking over the Hamster role of complaining about everything!

Too bad for Pez, he had a good race anyway.... Russell is showing the Hamster how to make the Merc run, isn't he?

Hell of a good race all the way down the order. Ferrari jumps out to a Mercedes style lead in both the driver's and constructor's races.

The drivers are saying that they think this type of racing (being able to overtake and yet be overtaken again) will continue all season.

I'm a little surprised at the reliability issues given this is what, the eighth year they've run these basic power units?
Title: Re: F1 - 2022
Post by: Brit_in_TX on March 28, 2022, 10:54:37 AM
This got a little bit long!

Race
Really enjoyed the race, the ability for the cars to run closer seems to have been a success, really enjoyed the battles up and down the running order.  The do need to do something about the DRS detection point on the entry to the last corner, as it was comical watching both Max and Charles trying their hardest not to be first to that line. 

Really felt sorry for Perez as the Safety Car really screwed him, but then again the Safety Car has screwed others before.  Also Lewis gambled on there being a late Safety Car or VSC and had terrible luck that when it came the pit lane was closed, if he had been able to pit under the VSC he would probably have finished 6th - with the speed they currently have in the Merc, that would be the best he could have hoped for.

The Race Director making the teams responsible for giving places back seems to be working as well. 

TV Coverage
For me the race was let down a bit by the TV Coverage.  When they a covering a brilliant battle, why did they cut away to a pit stop, a replay or shots of the crowd? Need to make more use of screen in screen technology where they can show two different parts of coverage at once.

Track Safety
Schumacher's crash on Saturday was horrible.  Although he did not walk away (understand no injuries, but he was lifted from the car), the safety of the cars is stunning as it was not long ago where an accident like that would have resulted in serious injury.

There are a few things I really do not understand in terms of track safety.
1 - Most modern circuits require acres and acres of run off in the high speed sections.  However, all of this gets thrown out of the window if an organization wants to host a street race.  Looking at Jeddah, Baku and Singapore. 
2 - Still having solid concrete or steel barriers with no form of protection around the circuit and using the excuse that "we didn't expect someone to go off there".  This has happened a number of times in the last couple of years - Grosjean in Bahrain, Bottas/Russell at Imola, Verstappen in Baku and now Mick in Saudi.  I understand the argument that tire barriers are not effective in certain areas as they grab the car and make the accident more violent.  However, there are other options out there, for example NASCAR and Indycar oval circuits all have the SAFER Barrier installed.  The track in Saudi could learn a lot from looking at the technology they use on ovals as they seem to have zero options for adding in run off.
3 - The desire to have the average speed of temporary circuits higher than most permanent circuits that are on the calendar.  Seems stupid to go faster on circuits that are less safe. 

Reliability
I quite like the reliability issues we are seeing. To me it shows that the teams are pushing the envelope of performance. 



Title: Re: F1 - 2022
Post by: Brit_in_TX on March 28, 2022, 10:57:20 AM
ended by the Saudis who told organizers the race would proceed or they would not be allowed to leave SA.

Little reminder to the drivers that they are guests in the countries they race in!
Title: Re: F1 - 2022
Post by: MiniDave on March 28, 2022, 12:09:41 PM
Some people are suggesting that the change in the fuel this year is what's causing some of the reliability issues, and also the extra power the Ferrari engines seem to have over the Mercs.....clearly there is something Ferrari has found as they have not been this close to the front since the FIA made them change their engines a few years ago, so the fuel could be the simple answer.

I think this could be a banner year for racing in F1, and if it is, you will definitely see Audi and Porsche involved in 2025/26 when the engine rules change again.

I wonder if the FIA will mandate 4 cyl engines - cause that is right in Audi/VW's wheelhouse - in a quest for even better fuel economy and as a potential way to slow the cars down (Ha! Remember the 1500 hp 4 cyl BMWs?)
Title: Re: F1 - 2022
Post by: Brit_in_TX on March 28, 2022, 12:53:30 PM
Some people are suggesting that the change in the fuel this year is what's causing some of the reliability issues, and also the extra power the Ferrari engines seem to have over the Mercs.....clearly there is something Ferrari has found as they have not been this close to the front since the FIA made them change their engines a few years ago, so the fuel could be the simple answer.

In one of the practice sessions this year, I have no idea which one.  A commentator said that the Ferrari engine was all new this year, to the extent the could not transfer over a single bolt.  So could also have something to do with that. 

One thing I wondered, is if Mercedes aggressive packaging to achieve the "zero pod" design as compromised the engine design.  Russell said that they are missing downforce rather than it being a power issue, but with all the Merc cars being slow, there must be a power issue somewhere.   
Title: Re: F1 - 2022
Post by: MiniDave on March 28, 2022, 01:34:11 PM
I wonder the same since pretty much all of the Merc engined cars are at the bottom of the order and almost all of the Ferrari engined (and the Renault and Reds Bull) are at the top
Title: Re: F1 - 2022
Post by: Brit_in_TX on March 31, 2022, 01:13:22 PM
The US is get a 3rd GP from next year.  A street race in Las Vegas.  It will also take place on Saturday night at 10pm (pacific).

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/when-is-the-formula-1-las-vegas-grand-prix-date-track-information-and-more/9480827/ (https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/when-is-the-formula-1-las-vegas-grand-prix-date-track-information-and-more/9480827/)

Not sure how I feel about another street race, there are some awesome circuits here that could be upgraded.

Title: Re: F1 - 2022
Post by: MiniDave on March 31, 2022, 04:05:08 PM
I dunno, I was following a discussion about this very thing this morning....

The Glen - needs a TON of updates (armco) to be ready for F1, plus no real hotel etc infrastructure nearby

Road America - seems like it could work as is - but also out in the middle of nowhere - not billionaire friendly

Road Atlanta - short course, would need a lot of updates, not too far from infrastructure

Indy - BTDT, doable I suppose

VIR - not ready for prime time - also out in the sticks

PIR - def not an F1 ready track - plus we already have a race in "the west"

Where else? The main takeaway I got was they want them to be in "destination locations" and none of the classic road course race tracks are.......
Title: Re: F1 - 2022
Post by: Willie_B on March 31, 2022, 05:36:00 PM
Barber in Alabama? Never been there but I think Indy car has had races there.
Title: Re: F1 - 2022
Post by: BruceK on March 31, 2022, 08:03:13 PM
Geez, I remember learning about the disaster of the previous F1 races at Las Vegas in the early 1980ís.  Held in Caesarís Palace parking lot. Yes, really.  Layout of the ďtrackĒ shown below. 

In my opinion, F1 on a temporary street circuit is kind of like having a herd of motocross riders chasing each other through the maze of a Las Vegas hotelís corridors. 

Monaco makes sense only because of nearly 100 years of racing tradition there.   Singapore, Sochi, Saudi, etc. simply donít.

But I guess the real reason for three races in the US is to gain more American eyeballs to F1. So, in that regard it should increase the popularity of the sport. 
Title: Re: F1 - 2022
Post by: BruceK on March 31, 2022, 08:11:49 PM
Barber in Alabama? Never been there but I think Indy car has had races there.

According to this older article Barber is FIA approved for F1 testing, but not F1 racing. So sounds like with some upgrades it could be made ready.

https://www.racedepartment.com/threads/barber-motorsports-park-the-hidden-diamond-of-american-motorsport.121287/

Of course, nearby Birmingham, Alabama does not have the same cachet or worldwide recognition as Las Vegas or Miami.
Title: Re: F1 - 2022
Post by: Brit_in_TX on April 01, 2022, 04:48:51 PM
I am not sure that the standard that Barber has is still valid. 

The current list of Grade One circuits in the US are:
Circuit of the Americas
Indianapolis Motor Speedway
Miami International Autodrome (provisional)

Grade Two circuits are:
Barber Motorsports Park   
Detroit Belle Isle Street Circuit
Lime Rock Park   
Long Beach Street Circuit
Mid-Ohio Sports Car Course
Nashville Street Circuit
New Jersey Motorsports Park
Portland International Raceway   
Road America   
Road Atlanta   
Sebring International Raceway
Sonoma Raceway
St. Petersburg Street Circuit   
Virginia International Raceway   
Watkins Glen International
WeatherTech Raceway Laguna Seca

From driving some of these in video games, I really like Sebring and Sonoma.
Title: Re: F1 - 2022
Post by: gr8kornholio on April 01, 2022, 06:28:06 PM
Would love to see F1 at Laguna.  Lol. But that is a short track.
Title: Re: F1 - 2022
Post by: BruceK on April 03, 2022, 07:05:39 AM
Just a journalist making up a story? Or real possibility?   Last Monaco F1 race?

https://carbuzz.com/news/formula-1-set-to-lose-its-most-iconic-circuit
Title: Re: F1 - 2022
Post by: MiniDave on April 03, 2022, 08:34:36 AM
There has been a lot of comment lately about Monaco, and what a lousy race it is - but I'll bet the real biggy is that it doesn't pay anything to have the race, unlike every other venue.
Title: Re: F1 - 2022
Post by: Brit_in_TX on April 04, 2022, 10:55:41 AM
Or an article "placed" to help negotiations from one side or the other. 

Monaco is also the only circuit where F1 do not control trackside advertising, which is why you so a number of different advertisers from the normal races.


Title: Re: F1 - 2022
Post by: BruceK on April 04, 2022, 01:26:30 PM
Or an article "placed" to help negotiations from one side or the other. 

Monaco is also the only circuit where F1 do not control trackside advertising, which is why you so a number of different advertisers from the normal races.

Different advertisers? How about having free advertising with a corner on the circuit named for your Rascasse restaurant?    ;D
Title: Re: F1 - 2022
Post by: Brit_in_TX on April 11, 2022, 09:21:59 AM
I enjoyed the Aussie GP, but the changes to the circuit did not delivery the overtaking that the claimed.

Ferrari look like they are competitive on the majority of track types. Leclerc already seems to be thinking about the championship, with his push for the fastest lap at the end.  This gave him a grand slam weekend (pole, race win and fastest lap). 

Red Bull have some reliability issues they need to deal with, all related to the fuel system.  Out of 6 entries in 3 races, they have retired 3 times.

Mercedes seem to be chipping away at their car, and they are the fastest behind the Ferrari and Red Bull teams.  Lewis again lost out with safety car, but it was good to see that Mercedes did not swap him and Russell at the end, so Russell could have his first podium for the team.

At the other end of the grid, Williams pulled off a master strategy getting Albon to finish 10th, when pitting him at the start of the final lap.  Aston Martin are having nightmare start to the season, and are the only team to not score a point.

The drivers are also complaining that the Aston Martin safety car is too slow, up to 5 seconds a lap slower than the Mercedes version.  So isn't just the green F1 cars that are slow!
Title: Re: F1 - 2022
Post by: MiniDave on April 22, 2022, 05:41:52 PM
The Tifosi were out in force to watch......erm..........Max set pole time. Oops.

The weather conditions were shit, first it rained, then it dried up then it rained again - all in the same session!

If you managed to get a great time in the dry when it started raining again you were golden - which is what Max, Char and Lando did.....the Mercs OTOH were not so fortunate, but I'm not sure it would have made much difference - today they were going to be 10th or worse no matter what, and it's even worse in the rain where the Ferrari, Alfas and HAAS all seem to shine - as long as they can keep them on track, which Sainz, Schumi and Bottas didn't - well, Bottas had a mechanical of some sort.

All the additional red flags didn't help either. All in all qually was a mess!

This is the first weekend of the Sprint race format, so they were racing for pole, but for the short Sat race, not Sunday's. As I understand it, the winner of the Sprint race is the pole setter for Sunday, not the winner of qually.

Kmag in 4th was pretty spectacular too!

The rainmeisters were definitely evident today......Saturday's Sprint race is probably going to be dry, but Sunday might be in the rain, so talk about confusing the setup. Since the Sprint race pays points all the way to 8th place, do you set up for that or Sunday's maybe wet race?

They said Verstappen's rear wing in the rain sets looked like a barn door!

We'll see what happens tomorrow..... 71.gif

OH....and Sir Hammy was NOT happy!  ::)
Title: Re: F1 - 2022
Post by: MiniDave on April 23, 2022, 11:03:30 AM
Whether you like the idea of the Sprint race or not, one thing's for sure, it makes for an edge of your seat time as it's do or die almost from the get go - no tire changes and no worries about running out of gas!

This one was no exception - Max on pole and Char right beside him and again Max did not get a good start - tho he did manage to stay in 2nd.

Kmag slid down the order as DRS became available, but it was fun watching Mick climbing up the order - I think he's learning from Kmag, and of course having a better car always helps.

Both Sainz and Pez had a good race, each moving forward - in the end Max used DRS on the penultimate lap to get past Char and LeClerc was not able to do the same before the end, just like the race in Saudi.

Finishing order Red Bull, Ferrari, Red Bull, Ferrari......the rest

The two McLarens look like they're starting to come around too, while the Mercedes mostly looked woeful.....the Haminator lost 2 places at the start and only managed to get one back in the race, Russell didn't do much better losing one and gaining one back to finish where he started, in 11th......so the Mercs will start 11th and 14th tomorrow. Funny thing is, Russell was fastest in FP2 this morning.....

Rain is forecast for the race tomorrow, so it could get real interesting - some guys really shine in the rain, and it does tend to equalize the performance across the field so we could have a real interesting race with some new faces on the podium

HAAS will be starting 8th and 10th tomorrow, maybe Mick can get his first points of his F1 career?
Title: Re: F1 - 2022
Post by: MiniDave on April 24, 2022, 12:30:25 PM
Well, it was a throw away race for Ferrari this weekend......Sainz taken out in the first lap and Char trying too hard to get to 2nd place spun and into the wall and was lucky to be able to finish - a stop after that for new tires and a new nose put him in 9th, he rallied back to 6th but threw away 7 points....

For Red Bull it was the perfect race weekend, dominating the Sprint race and getting maximum points in both events.

Mercedes punched above its weight class in getting George up to 4th, Hammy having a miserable race starting in 13th and finishing one place down from there and not being able to pass......well, anyone!

It's interesting to me the difference in fortunes withing the teams - George in 4th, Hammy in 14th - Lando on the podium in 3rd, Ricky racer mired in 18th - Bottas in 5th, Joe in 15th - Tsunoda well ahead of Gasly and so on.....

The worst had to be when the Hamster got lapped by Max.

I wonder how much longer Mercedes will stay with its current design, before giving up and going to what the other - successful - teams are doing?

The next race should prove interesting as none of the teams have ever raced there in Miami, plus it's a street circuit.....
Title: Re: F1 - 2022
Post by: Brit_in_TX on April 25, 2022, 01:20:29 PM
Danny Ric/Carlos were unlucky at the start, with the first real corner in the wet!  McLaren confirmed after the race that Danny Ric had floor damage and that they tried the Hard tire as an experiment - which was a failure. Regardless Lando is out performing him everywhere right now.

Mercedes big issue right now, they aren't generating enough downforce as they have to run the car higher because of the porpoising issue.  I don't know how easy it is for Mercedes to fundamentally change their car design due to the limited amount of wind tunnel time they have - they have the least of their rivals.  I wonder if they will give up on this season and focus on next year soon.

Title: Re: F1 - 2022
Post by: Brit_in_TX on April 28, 2022, 12:54:10 PM
Both of the FIA Race Directors have tested positive for Covid.  To get into the USA you need a negative test.  So does that mean they will bring Michael Masi back?
Title: Re: F1 - 2022
Post by: MiniDave on April 28, 2022, 01:28:48 PM
The article I read said one of the deputy race directors would take over.....one of whom was already here. Anyway you cut it this has a lot of potential for fuck ups.....I won't be surprised to see some cars in the barriers all weekend long, especially on the first lap rundown to turn 1.
Title: Re: F1 - 2022
Post by: MiniDave on May 06, 2022, 03:09:32 PM
Practice 1 in Miami, and so far only Bottas is into the barriers and banged his car up pretty good.

Lots of close calls in practice between cars coming out of the pits and doing slow/fast laps, so lots of opportunities for contacts, but so far everyone seems to be behaving.

Mercedes seems to be working OK at this track and def looks to be in the hunt this race...none of the cars seem to be porpoising like at other tracks and that may be what's helping the Mercs.

Ferrari, Mercedes and Red Bull are all going well, but the Big Macs haven't shown anything yet...Kmag in 9th vs Schumi in 18th is a cause for raised eyebrows at HAAS, Kmag has def been the star of the team this year since coming back to HAAS.

All in all a decent start to the Miami GP.

There are 40% chances of rain each day all weekend, so that could throw a wrench into the proceedings too.
Title: Re: F1 - 2022
Post by: MiniDave on May 07, 2022, 04:12:45 PM
Qually for Miami

Interesting team dynamics again - the Ferraris make it 1-2 for Charle and Sainz, Max makes a mistake on his last lap of Q3, so he'll start third. Checo 4th and Bottas 5th in his Alfa/Ferrari.

Hammy got up to 6th, but Russel had a terrible qually after running really well in FP3 and could only manage 12th

Lando in 8th but Ricky Ricciardo clear down in 12th, Mick beats Kmag by just a smidge to take 15th

and I guess the rest don't matter, but both Alpha Tauris made it into the top 10 again, so good for them.
Title: Re: F1 - 2022
Post by: BruceK on May 08, 2022, 11:59:49 AM
Fake water notwithstanding, iím pretty amazed at the track facilities there for a temporary circuit.
Title: Re: F1 - 2022
Post by: MiniDave on May 08, 2022, 12:06:09 PM
Plus, the place is absolutely packed with people spending cubic yards of money!  :-\
Title: Re: F1 - 2022
Post by: BruceK on May 08, 2022, 05:04:16 PM
Race winner chauffeured in a Mini Moke with police escort!?!?

I didnít see that one coming.





Title: Re: F1 - 2022
Post by: MiniDave on May 08, 2022, 07:13:10 PM
Well, I thought it was a pretty good race, Charles gave it his all in the last 10 laps but just couldn't get it done, Sainz held off Checo to his best finish of the year, all in all still a good race for Ferrari....but an even better one for Red Bull.

Seems we definitely have three teams in the mix now as the Mercs finished 5th and 6th, tho without the safety car I don't know if they would have been there.....maybe. Hamster still whining about not getting the right tires at the right time. But, they let him drive with his "jewelry" in, didn't they?

Russel's constant top 5 finishes have him ahead of Sainz in the driver's standings, and Max is now only 19 points behind Leclerc when he was 40 behind only two races ago.

The constructor's race is far closer, with only 6 points between the top two, and Mercedes not that far behind - 62 points - but with a LOT of races yet to go. I would not be surprised to see the standings tighten up even more before it's over with. All the other teams are just also rans at this point.

Shame about Mick, he was poised to get his first F1 point today and drove a great race till he got taken out. I don't know what was up with Kmag, he and Mick were running a strong 10 and 11 but they both finished terribly......
Title: Re: F1 - 2022
Post by: Brit_in_TX on May 09, 2022, 08:18:38 AM
Race winner chauffeured in a Mini Moke with police escort!?!?

I didnít see that one coming.

It will be on BaT any day now  :D
Title: Re: F1 - 2022
Post by: Brit_in_TX on May 09, 2022, 08:24:19 AM
I was surprised we did not see more carnage, given the way Sainz and Ocon lost it into the chicane.

Felt sorry for Lando after getting clipped by Gasly, could he have given Gasly more room - Yes.  But it looked to me that Gasly was drifting across the track and not following the curve.

The top 3 in the cooldown room looked like they had really worked during that race, not often you see F1 drives that flushed and overheated.
Title: Re: F1 - 2022
Post by: Brit_in_TX on May 09, 2022, 08:27:46 AM
Fake water notwithstanding, iím pretty amazed at the track facilities there for a temporary circuit.

One of the commentators for a practice session (might have been Jenson Button) said that we have never seen a more complete circuit for the first race.

I do wonder how it is financially sustainable to build that each year.  As the need to return it to a parking lot for the start of the football season!
Title: Re: F1 - 2022
Post by: MiniDave on May 09, 2022, 09:54:45 AM
I wonder if next year they'll have the "safer" type barriers instead of what they did this year, at least in the critical areas?
Title: Re: F1 - 2022
Post by: Brit_in_TX on May 09, 2022, 01:25:38 PM
I wonder if next year they'll have the "safer" type barriers instead of what they did this year, at least in the critical areas?

You would think they would learn to but them everywhere!
Title: Re: F1 - 2022
Post by: pbraun on May 18, 2022, 09:44:15 AM
I don't care - I'm not taking my nose ring off
Title: Re: F1 - 2022
Post by: MiniDave on May 22, 2022, 03:31:19 PM
Wow! That was a heck of a race in Spain......

Stunning ending, unfortunately....

It's clear Mercedes is back in it again, even tho they're about 1/2 second slower than Red Bull and Ferrari in ultimate pace, they seem to be able to race with them. Without DRS no matter what Max did he couldn't get past George - some of that has to be down to George's ability to fend him off, but when they let Perez go at George he breezed on by with DRS. He's going to have a discussion with Red Bull about the fact they made him let Max by....on the one hand Max is now the championship leader, OTOH I think Checo could have easily won that race. It's clear what Max thinks he should do of course..... ::)

So it's clearly a fight amongst the big three for the titles with Max now having the advantage.

Poor Sainz, if it wasn't for bad luck.....still, he fought back hard to finish where he did.

The Hamster was ready to give up after his puncture on the first lap, yet fought back from dead last to almost finish on the podium till he started overheating.

Hammy is going to have a decision to make now - with the car showing clear improvement - he's been given one more race to make a decision on the nose stud. If he won't remove it, they'll bench him. With the car he had the first four races I would have bet on him to say fuck it and sit down, but now with a decent car?? However, George has finished ahead of him in every race this year.....

I like the fact that management has decided to enforce the rules - all of them - now. They're being fairly stringent about track limits too - there is no grey area either. If you go off, you go off. Obviously if you spin or get forced off that's a different matter.....
Title: Re: F1 - 2022
Post by: Brit_in_TX on May 23, 2022, 09:28:01 AM
It was a great race. 

The race pace that the Mercedes showed, particularly Hamilton was a huge step forwards.  At the end of lap 2 he was around 1 minute behind the leader, if you take out the final laps where he had to slow for the cooling issue - he should have finished between 30-40 seconds behind Max.  Which is a pretty good recovery.
Title: Re: F1 - 2022
Post by: MiniDave on May 23, 2022, 09:48:57 AM
Yep, I don't think they're pole contenders yet, but they certainly seem to be able to run with the other big dogs now in the race.....

Seems to be those three, then everyone else is just relegated to fill out the grid for now. for a while McLaren was getting podiums, and occasionally Alfa Tauri or Alpine looked like they could too but they all seem to be a ways off the pace anymore compared to the big three.

Alfa - at least in Bottas' hands - is a solid 6th almost every race, I don't see him going any further up the grid unless there's a big turn one smash up or something but he's there every race if something does happen to the front 6.

Everyone wondered how George would do against the Haminator - now we know - he does just fine! I wonder how they managed to fit him in the car tho - he's SO tall compared to the other little muchkins.
Title: Re: F1 - 2022
Post by: Brit_in_TX on May 24, 2022, 08:22:30 AM
Agreed that Merc race pace is getting there.  Just need to unlock the one lap pace in qualifying.

Disappointments this year have to be Alonso and Riccardo, both been out scored by their team mates.

Also one of the commentators said that Latifi could be out of the Williams part way through the year, unless his performances improve.  That is interesting as he is a pay driver, so Williams financial position must have improved enough that they don't need the money from Daddy Latifi any more.
Title: Re: F1 - 2022
Post by: MiniDave on May 24, 2022, 08:43:26 AM
I think Latifi drove better when Geroge was with the team, either as an inspiration, or from his technical help. Either way, with George gone his performance has definitely suffered. Albon is doing the most with the least, but if Williams is going to get out of last place something has to change.

Aston Martin has to be the biggest disappointment of the season for me so far...somehow you always knew Mercedes would figure out their problems and get on top of them, I haven't seen much of that at AM.

BTW, when did Aramco become Aston's title sponsor?

Title: Re: F1 - 2022
Post by: Brit_in_TX on May 24, 2022, 09:43:39 AM
BTW, when did Aramco become Aston's title sponsor?

Beginning of the year, when BWT went to Alpine.

Title: Re: F1 - 2022
Post by: Brit_in_TX on May 24, 2022, 09:55:09 AM
Aston Martin has to be the biggest disappointment of the season for me so far...somehow you always knew Mercedes would figure out their problems and get on top of them, I haven't seen much of that at AM.

They have lost a lot of good people from the senior level of the team.  Otmar said in a candid interview, that he left because a lot of his authority was taken away "when the new owner came in". 

 
Title: Re: F1 - 2022
Post by: gr8kornholio on May 24, 2022, 06:14:07 PM
Ricky Bobby has been a disappointment ever since he left Red Bull.  I get it, he didnít want to be over shadowed by the kid Max so go somewhere else where you are top dog.  WellÖ..  hasnít happened.  Everywhere heís gone heís become second.  I really wish heíd stayed at Red Bull and used Max as inspiration to drive the wheels off it.  Sucks bad cause he is by far my favorite.  Happy personality and a Dale Earnhardt fan, hence the number 3.   Was seriously considering painting my mini the yellow Red Bull used.  Glad I didnít follow through on that. 
Title: Re: F1 - 2022
Post by: Brit_in_TX on May 25, 2022, 01:00:37 PM
From what I have read as well, he is getting paid top dollar by McLaren.  Probably part of the reason Norris signed a re-negotiated deal in the middle of last year, as the rumor was Riccardo was on $17m a year and Norris was on $1.5m a year - now Norris is getting anything between $10 and $20m, depend on what you read. 
Title: Re: F1 - 2022
Post by: MiniDave on May 29, 2022, 01:37:34 PM
This year F1 has given us some great racing, and Monaco was no exception....a little rain can really shake things up tho in this case I think the final result was down to Ferrari's race strategy - again.

So this race had a little of everything, rain keeping the race from even starting, then a red flag on the formation lap, a rolling start behind the pace car, lots of strategy changes due to the weather - an interesting battle between Alonslow and the Hamster that almost changed the entire race at the end, a shortened race that ran to time rather than laps, and at one point we had drivers on full rains, intermediates and slicks on the same laps.

A big crash that Mick walked away from, another red flag, more different tire strategies with the threat of rain in the last few laps (that didn't happen) and then the final where the last few laps the first 4 cars were absolutely nose to tail.

Lots going on and I think Charles has to be wondering what the hell happened to his season, it started off so well, he's been driving brilliantly at every race and yet Max is even further ahead now.
Title: Re: F1 - 2022
Post by: pbraun on May 30, 2022, 09:51:46 AM
Yeah, another good, interesting race at Monaco with all sorts of things going on......Hope this all keeps up, with the championships going back and forth all along!
Title: Re: F1 - 2022
Post by: BruceK on May 30, 2022, 07:59:33 PM
And here I was thinking that if the Monaco Grand Prix never happens again Iíve decided that Iíd be OK with that.  I know there are so many arguments about keeping it for the sake of tradition, but itís really a crappy race track. Especially if you want to see racing actually happen.   I think that fact was pretty well illustrated by Alonzo being intent on keeping seventh place (and I donít blame him for that) but nobody could do anything about it - he was holding up a train of 10 cars behind him.   Not exactly exciting to watch.  I think if I want to get all nostalgic about Monaco I should watch the old video of Sennaís on-board lap, or the movie Grand Prix.  Because watching modern racing there is not satisfying at all.
Title: Re: F1 - 2022
Post by: Brit_in_TX on May 31, 2022, 12:59:57 PM
The rain made it interesting, but the Race Director decision to delay the start makes the F1 drivers look like wimps.  Also the need to do something about the track, if someone can back the entire pack up 3-4 seconds a lap and not get past it is a bit of a joke.  For me, Monaco is the one race of the year of the year that I will miss and just watch the highlights.

Monaco still does not have a contract for next year and there is apparently 5 sticking points:
- A local broadcaster still produces and directs the coverage, for every other race there is an F1 TV Director.
- The race fee is substantially lower than other races.  Even historic races like Monza and Silverstone.
- F1 do not control the track side advertising.  This has caused some problems, for example Rolex is an official F1 sponsor and Tag Heuer had prominent advertising track side.
- Refusal to make circuit layout changes to help increase overtaking options, with the cars being so much bigger it makes the passing all put impossible in the dry.
- Logistics of the paddock etc.

Monaco GP organizers have previously thought they were in the position of strength when it comes to negotiations, but the F1 organizers think they can do without Monaco as global TV is more important.  And the new audience probably do not care about the history of the circuit, but want to see a good race. 
Title: Re: F1 - 2022
Post by: MiniDave on May 31, 2022, 01:09:52 PM
Lots of discussion about that, and today the talk is whether Danny Ricky Bobby will even finish out the season with Big Mac. Even tho he has a contract thru the end of 2023, apparently there are performance clauses that could let the team or him end it early.

So then the question becomes, who do they bring in? The first answer seems to be Oscar P, who is under contract to Alpine - which raises the idea that either they "lend" him to MacLaren - or an even wilder scenario has him taking Alonso's seat, and Fred going to Big Mac land.

If that happens it takes a lot of pressure off Latifi I guess....

Schumacher is another guy with a target painted on his back after yet another expensive crash. Gunther is NOT happy with Mick these days.....
Title: Re: F1 - 2022
Post by: Brit_in_TX on June 01, 2022, 10:29:18 AM
For McLaren, they have been talking up an F1 drive for Pato O'Ward who is in their Indycar program.  Maybe he could drive after the Indycar season finishes in September.  There is also a the rumor about Colton Herta, who kept Lando Norris honest in the junior formulae.  I don't think that McLaren have a junior driver program any more.

Schumacher is effectively a pay driver, as drive to survive showed that the 1&1 sponsorship is contingent on a german driver.  And a german driver with the name Schumacher has a lot of marketing value.  Can't see Haas being able to afford another major sponsor loss this season. 

There are plenty of drivers out there that deserve a shot at F1, I would like to see the grid shaken up a bit mid season.
Title: Re: F1 - 2022
Post by: MiniDave on June 12, 2022, 10:54:20 PM
What a disappointing race, and not just for Ferrari.....

I think unless Max has a similar spate of issues he's pretty much sewn up his second driver's championship, and with the Reds Bull now 80 pts ahead I think they may have pretty much gotten the constructor's as well.

Once again the Mercs use their reliability to score points and keep in the game, Russell in particular. With Hammy talking about sitting out the next round in Canada, I think the handwriting is on the wall for his career now.

I can't imagine Latifi lasting the rest of this season, rumor has it that after Silverstone, he's done in favor of Oscar Piastri.

Big Mac celebrating 8th and 9th hardly seems appropriate, but I suppose you take what you can get, and Danny Ricky Bobby hasn't gotten much lately.

Gasly had a standout race to come 5th, and the old warhorses Vettel and Alonso did pretty well too in 6th and 7th.

Bottas and Schumi were the only Ferrari engined cars to finish the race......
Title: Re: F1 - 2022
Post by: Brit_in_TX on June 13, 2022, 08:52:48 AM
Hamilton never talked about sitting out Canada, it was Toto Wolff that brought it up.  Probably to be dramatic and draw attention to the issue. 

Ferrari have a fast but unreliable car, and making a fast car reliable can be difficult.

Agree that Red Bull are sailing towards the championship, if they can keep the wheels on.  Be nice to see if Checo can challenge Max a little more, but not sure he will be able to.

Latifi is definitely going to be done before the end of the season, I wonder if they will let him race in Canada and then he will be replaced.  With Williams scoring some points, they probably not has tight on budget as previous years.  Question is who will replace him, Merc would like to put one of their drivers in and Alpine want to put Oscar Piastri in a seat in preparation to replace Alonso. 

Still think that Schumacher and Stroll are at risk this season unless they pick up their performances.  Stroll will probably hang as Daddy owns the team (but there are other sponsors to consider now) and Schumacher might hang on with his surname and also 1&1 wanting a German driver.

Title: Re: F1 - 2022
Post by: MiniDave on June 13, 2022, 09:53:48 AM
Which makes me wonder about Vettel....as he's really improved the last couple of races. Is he planning to go out on a high note? Or will he carry on one more year? Cause if he retires that also will open up a decent ride.
Title: Re: F1 - 2022
Post by: MiniDave on June 15, 2022, 02:57:38 PM
So, Oscar has a contract with Williams for 2 years, '23 and '24, AND Williams will switch to Renault motors during the contract period......so maybe Latifi got a reprieve to the end of this season - and maybe daddy bigbucks kicked in some more coin to keep him there for now?

No question Toto was campaigning for a rules change, also no question that he won't get it. As Horner said, if they want the car not to hurt their drivers, they need to fix the damn car. Or just raise it up a bit or put on a thicker floor or something - all of which would make them less competitive - so, that's not gonna happen either!
Title: Re: F1 - 2022
Post by: MiniDave on June 16, 2022, 02:07:15 PM
Rumors are getting even stronger that Piastri will be in the Williams at Silverstone. Apparently there are still a lot of dominos that have to fall into place, one of which is Alonso. If Alpine decide to sign him back to the team for 23-24, then putting Piastri at Williams with a Renault engine is a good move, for everyone. But, if they don't take Alonso on for another contract, apparently Piastri could become a "free agent" so to speak, as his contract with Alpine includes a clause that he be in F1 full time drive by next year, so either Alpine has to put him with Ocon, or risk losing him permanently to another team. Mercedes also figures into this somehow - I'm not quite sure how at this point, but Piastri has had a seat fitting with Alpine, Williams, McLaren and Mercedes already......

We'll know more after this weekend's race. If by some magical alignment of the stars Latifi manages to have a great weekend and score some points, maybe pressure can be brought to bear that he stays on thru the rest of this season. Another rumor says that his mother's family is a big player in Dorilton (who own Williams now) which could be a big pressure point too.

Way to many circles involved in this to call it for sure right now, but I'm thinking if he has a poor showing or yet another crash - he's out and Oscar's in.
Title: Re: F1 - 2022
Post by: Brit_in_TX on June 17, 2022, 09:32:28 AM
From a purely F1 perspective, Williams could make more money if they start scoring points with someone else in the car.  A long time a go I read an article on the economies of pay drivers, and it is not as simply as they pay to be in the car.  Performance clauses in other sponsor contracts need to be factored in and F1 prize money.  So Williams know they have a car that is capable of scoring points this year in the right hands, what the bean counters will be looking at is if score more points without a pay driver we could be in a better financial position. 

Also some F1 sponsorship deals snowball year on year, so if they do well in year 1, year 2 they see an increase in funding, same in 3 etc etc.  So maximizing the Duracell deal could also be part of the equation.

Alpine has also been testing Piastri in an old F1 car at Silverstone and other circuits, and testing F1 cars at circuits is not cheap.

Title: Re: F1 - 2022
Post by: MiniDave on June 18, 2022, 05:34:06 PM
Well, that was an interesting qually - once again, nothing like a little rain to mix things up with both HAAS cars in the top 10!

Fernando drove an incredible lap to finish 2nd, Sainz over did it slightly in the last corner to come third, and the Haminator is 4th, his best qually this year I think.

Alonso has been quick all weekend, and his car seems to get 10 ft wide when he wants to keep someone behind him, but this track has a couple of good passing places, with DRS he may not be able to hold off Sainz.

Leclerc will have a fun race, starting from the back, it will be interesting to see just how far forward he can come by the end.

Lots of attrition and mistakes, but the real surprise was Vettel, after killing it all weekend he and Stroll both absolutely sucked in qually.....Stroll is supposed to be really good in the rain and we know Seb is quick when it's wet but they either muffed the setup completely and in which case may be good again tomorrow, or something is seriously wrong with their cars. I'm betting on setup..

Tomorrow is supposed to be dry and cool, so the cars that can fire their tires up and get them good and sticky the quickest should have a good race.
 
Title: Re: F1 - 2022
Post by: BruceK on June 18, 2022, 09:05:49 PM
I really enjoyed watching the Qually.   I feel bad for Perez but really thrilled to see Alonso in P2!
Title: Re: F1 - 2022
Post by: MiniDave on June 19, 2022, 03:36:49 PM
There seems to be a significant difference in pace between wet and dry conditions for some of these teams.

I think the race was a foregone conclusion, but Sainz def gave it all he had, and Ferrari engined cars came back strong this weekend to put 4 cars in the top 10.

Other than that, it was a pretty fun race to watch. No idea why the Mercs were so much better here than expected, or than they looked on Friday when they were struggling to get better than 12th and 18th. Russell continuing his streak of finishing every race in the top 5 this year. Merc sure has their reliability down cold.

Both Alpines came home well also, but McLaren is still not able to put a good race together it seems.

Albon is making the best of his situation at Williams, clearly showing why Latifi needs to make way for Piastri or pretty much anyone else!

I had high hopes for the HAAS boys, but again it was not to be for them.

Title: Re: F1 - 2022
Post by: MiniDave on July 02, 2022, 02:29:01 PM
Silverstone

All three practice sessions were dry, 10 min before Q1 it poured......it stopped mid session and the track kept improving....

Q2 started fairly dry then it started raining again, so the fastest times were set early in the session, towards the end times just kept getting slower and slower. The usual suspects were in the top 10 by the end of the session, with one surprise - Latifi put the Williams into Q3 - in 10th - but he did it.

The Astons were nowhere, as were both the HAAS cars, but Verstappen was going strong and so was LeClerc. The real surprise were the Mercs,,.running as high as 2nd and 3rd at one point. Alonso also had good pace running as high as 5th.

By the time it was all done we had a new and first time pole sitter - Sainz! Maiden pole, only took him about 150 races to do it.....

So, the order:
Sainz
Max
Charles
Checo
Hamster
Lando
Fred
George
Joe
Lafifi

Everybody else.....

Danny Ricky Bobby struggled to make it out of Q1 and only managed 14th, Lando is sure making him look bad this season. Vettel also could not make his car work and will start clear down in 18th, with Stroll dead last.

Nicky Latifi may have gotten a stay of execution for the rest of this season, especially if he doesn't wreck out

No idea if it's going to rain tomorrow or not - could be really interesting if it does. But if it's clear, I expect Max will get another notch on his gun. That said, if it's dry the Mercs might also have something to say about it.....
Title: Re: F1 - 2022
Post by: MiniDave on July 03, 2022, 01:19:03 PM
WOW!!

What a race! That's what we've been waiting for......
Title: Re: F1 - 2022
Post by: BruceK on July 03, 2022, 01:24:05 PM
After that very scary first lap crashÖ That was a jump up and yell at the TV kinda race - especially the final 10 laps!!!    Great to see Carlos triumph in the end.   And fantastic racing between Lewis and Charles!  And Checo too!
Title: Re: F1 - 2022
Post by: MiniDave on July 03, 2022, 02:17:20 PM
Checo had one hell of a race to wind up 2nd, after that really early pit stop sent him clear to the back.

Also congrats to the Shu for his first F1 points, he looked solid all race.

Tough luck to George for being a good Samaritan he gets tossed out of a race - he could have finished as high as 6th he thought.

The Mercs are definitely back to the front if they can find a tiny bit of one lap qually speed.

Also bad luck to Max, he apparently ran over something that broke his magical mystery floor and it sorta stopped working so good.

I was definitely standing for the last few laps......Ferrari did muff the strategy again, if they had called Charles in for softs like they did for Sainz it could have been a red car 1-2, but it would have been Char on the top step.

Still a fantastic race, I thought Fred was going to get Charles at the end there, he did amazing to hold off the Hamster as long as he did and to finish 4th. You could see he was not happy with the Ferrari bench.....
Title: Re: F1 - 2022
Post by: Brit_in_TX on July 05, 2022, 02:47:12 PM
That first corner crash was scary to see the car go over the tire barrier and into the catch fencing. There were some comments about the gap between the catch fencing and the back of the tire barrier and how it should be removed.  The issue is that catch fencing is there to stop a car leaving the circuit and marshals etc need a way to access the circuit, otherwise you will end up with double fencing.  In my opinion, the area they need to look at is the use of hard run off vs gravel runoff as it was the gravel that tripped up the car.  Hard run off works will when the car is spinning and tires are on it, but once it has lost the tires is better to have gravel. 

It was also shows the effectiveness of the halo, the worrying thing is the failure of the roll over protection.

After all of that - the race was great.  The late safety car set up a really fight for the lead, and Charles helped Carlos by fighting hard so he could get away. Lewis's fastest lap on the final lap was nothing short of stunning, 0.7 quicker than anyone else on that lap. 
Title: Re: F1 - 2022
Post by: MiniDave on July 10, 2022, 12:50:25 PM
Austria -

Known to be Max's happy hunting ground, he showed his gearbox to the field in the Sprint race, but the actual race today was another matter completely as Charles and Carlos both hunted him down and passed him. The Ferrari absolutely had the measure of the Red Bull and looked set to have a 1-2 at the end till Sainz's engine grenaded - and boy howdy did it! parts came thru the engine shroud and the fire was scary too as they had trouble keeping the car - on fire - from rolling back onto the track!

I think Carlos tried to get the car far enough off the track so there wouldn't be a safety car but just couldn't quite get it there, then Charles started having trouble with a sticking throttle pedal......Max was closing up the gap slowly because of Charle's issues, but just ran out of laps.

Tons of actual racing and passing all up and down the field - these cars clearly can follow closely lap after lap without losing the front tires or overheating - definitely a step in the right direction.

Mercedes seems to have fixed their bouncing or porpoising issues, but at the end they were still almost a lap down, but one thing's certain, their reliability is so good that unless they wreck they will be there at the end of the race. 3rd and 4th today was a good result for them for sure.

Also notable, both Alpines, both McLarens and both HAAS were all in the top 10......a good day for all of them. After starting the season off well, the Alpha Tauris seem to have lost their way, and Gasly seems to be completely off his game. Latifi was doing so poorly they parked his car, they cannot get Oscar into a Williams uniform soon enough - I think they should do it now so he can start getting experience with the car before next season gets going.

Mick seems to have really upped his game the last few races and is finally showing his potential, and good on him. All in all this was a good race weekend!
Title: Re: F1 - 2022
Post by: Brit_in_TX on July 11, 2022, 10:51:34 AM
Merc are solidly the 3rd fastest team.  George was 19th after his first stop and penalty and drove through to 4th.  The issue is there is a big gap to Red Bull and Ferrari.  But, there is a decent gap to the rest of the pack.

Alpine, McLaren, Haas, Alfa Romeo and Alpha Tauri all seem to be close to one another, it really comes down to whether the circuit is working for them. 

Biggest disappoint still has to be Aston Martin.

Hard to believe that race marked the halfway point of the season!
Title: Re: F1 - 2022
Post by: MiniDave on July 11, 2022, 12:39:32 PM
I agree.....Aston really has been off their game, despite Vettel having the occasional good result.

I'm impressed with HAAS, especially the last few races where they've both been top 10 again, just like in the first few races (at least for Kmag).....that both drivers are finishing and finishing close to each other shows Mick's real improvement. For having the lowest budget on the track they are doing really well....

I wonder what happened to the bouncing issues? They all seem to have gone away now?
Title: Re: F1 - 2022
Post by: MiniDave on July 11, 2022, 03:27:30 PM
Wow, I've been reading a lot of accounts of terrible fan behavior, and it seems most of it came from drunk Dutch Verstappen fans......abuse heaped upon women, gays, pretty much anyone not white and male. people vomiting and urinating in public, guys walking from the showers nude in the campsites.....women being threatened......just really horrible behavior.

Vettel calls for them to be banned from F1 races for life......

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/f1-must-act-hard-on-abuse-no-fan-should-ever-attend-a-gp-and-not-want-to-go-back/10336737/?fbclid=IwAR0hCV3nM3CdS7GAJsdrCafv7U4ycvIi7ITepoUmmuXDgiZEgtsz9LGyIOY

Twitter is full of threads of people complaining of how they were treated at the Red Bull ring......I wonder just how F1 is going to deal with this - or if it is at all?

https://www.gpfans.com/en/f1-news/86980/f1-fia-under-fire-austrian-grand-prix-gpfans-recap/?fbclid=IwAR0lemU1lGg6BRyJL3i7IZlTSVSb42dPumsXsm7Sbvl6WkfYSVk5BAY3tms

https://jalopnik.com/harassment-at-the-formula-1-austrian-grand-prix-isnt-ne-1849162403
Title: Re: F1 - 2022
Post by: Brit_in_TX on July 12, 2022, 04:10:13 PM
In Europe they did a lot of work to stamp out drunkenness, violence and racism at soccer (football) games for as long as I can remember.  This includes placing restrictions on fans ability to travel internationally and purchase tickets for games. Teams were then punished if their fans continued their bad behavior by playing games behind closed doors and without TV coverage (which is how teams make their money).  This enabled the teams to appeal to the majority of fans to report badly behaved fans so they could be banned.

However, the challenge for F1 is going to be how they manage that.  How do you restrict fans for one driver or team if they are the ones where this behavior is coming from?  The other issue is that F1 (on the whole) only has 1 race per country so how do you restrict fan access to an event when the fans are needed to allow an event to break even?  Do you threaten to cancel a contract to run a race if issues continue, but will that just move the issue to a replacement circuit, travelling around Europe is pretty easy?

It is implied in most of the reports that they were Max Verstappen fans, if that is the case, pressure needs to be put on Max to address these topics head on and strongly.  His responses to Nelson Piquet's comments about Hamilton and these events have been light PR bullshit compare to the other drivers and team principal comments (Toto's being the most direct).  Max might not want to do it, but by being World Champion he is a figurehead of the sport and he needs to address it.
Title: Re: F1 - 2022
Post by: MiniDave on July 12, 2022, 05:37:32 PM
I agree it's going to be difficult to stop, but I agree with Toto - they need to get on top of it.

I'm guessing if worse comes to worse they can use facial recognition and not sell tix to offending guys but that seems pretty extreme....

I'm sure a large part of the problem is alcohol but they're not going to forgo the revenue from that either.

I saw plenty of this abusive behavior at Oktoberfest, and it was not restricted to any one group, but the worst ones I came into contact with came over from England.
Title: Re: F1 - 2022
Post by: Brit_in_TX on July 13, 2022, 07:31:23 AM
I saw plenty of this abusive behavior at Oktoberfest, and it was not restricted to any one group, but the worst ones I came into contact with came over from England.

Sad but true - "Brits Abroad" in Europe is a thing. Basically leave any sense of decency at home and drink until you can't see straight.
Title: Re: F1 - 2022
Post by: MiniDave on July 13, 2022, 09:50:22 AM
They used to talk about the "ugly American" and I didn't understand - I thought it was all just Hollywood made up or something till I went to visit friends in Germany. We were doing the tourist things and had gone to Neuswanstien castle - there were two lines, one for English speaking tourists and one for German.

In our line there was a short fat man and his big broad of a wife - he was dressed in shorts, a really loud shirt, black socks and shoes and a cigar - I swear he was straight out of Hollywood casting he fit the image so perfectly. He and the wife were loud, obnoxious and I was totally embarrassed.

At one point in the tour as they pointed out a very old and I'm sure valuable painting he reached in his pocket and pulled out some cash and said he'd buy it for $5! I wanted to just melt into the floor.......

I asked my German friends if we could go in the other line and they could just translate for us but he said it was even worse in that line!

Point being boorish behavior doesn't seem to be restricted to just English speaking folks......we just don't know about it because we don't speak the language.....but it does seem like folks completely forget how to be adults.
Title: Re: F1 - 2022
Post by: MiniDave on July 13, 2022, 11:38:36 AM
Interesting comment on the changes in F1 in the last few years....

F1, in my humble opinion, is clearly growing too fast for what the business and circuits can handle. A few years ago, before Drive to Survive, it used to be quite the achievement to have a sellout crowd. Nowadays, circuits are trying to cram more and more people in because tickets are selling like hot cakes. With this, there needs to be a ramp-up in security, both for things like flares and also to manage the horrible situation that some fans faced in Austria, where they were being harassed and abused.

There needs to be a step up from Formula 1 to manage all of this; otherwise, itís going to get out of control.


It was in this article about the use of smoke flares at the last race

https://wtf1.com/post/why-flares-at-f1-races-need-to-be-banned/?fbclid=IwAR3EZvW2IHfisKzFWRJx3gyoMRAedCm5SJqO9Fkpk5PJEXmsgm8-hLanA_E (https://wtf1.com/post/why-flares-at-f1-races-need-to-be-banned/?fbclid=IwAR3EZvW2IHfisKzFWRJx3gyoMRAedCm5SJqO9Fkpk5PJEXmsgm8-hLanA_E)
Title: Re: F1 - 2022
Post by: MiniDave on July 24, 2022, 03:41:48 PM
French GP at Paul Ricard:

What a disappointment if you're a Ferrari and Charles LeClerc fan, he did a masterful job of holding off a clearly faster Verstappen in the early laps till Max's tires started to go off, LeClerc had the race well in hand and then he lost the backend and spun off track into the barrier. Done deal.

Later in the interview he said he's driving at top level of his life, but it was his mistake not a problem with the car. Good that he owned up to it, but still......

Then Sainz. Starting 19th cutting thru the field, all the way up to a clear third place but with a 5 sec penalty for an unsafe release on his pit stop he still had the time in hand and might even have taken 2nd place, but they called him in for tires. He fought like hell to pass 5 cars and wind up 5th but that was as high as he could go before he ran out of laps.

The team justified the call by saying his tires would not have lasted to the end of the race as one of the fronts was showing blisters, but Sainz thought he could make it ok.

So from a possible 1-3 they wind up with only a 5th and fastest lap.

Mercedes on the other hand had a brilliant race. The Hamster jumped Checo on the start and late in the race after a virtual safety car Russell did the same so the Mercs finished a solid 2-3. With their reliability and the mistakes of the others they are slowly closing in on Ferrari for 2nd in the championship. I think Max pretty much has it sewn up at this point now as he is 63 pts ahead of Charles With Perez now only 7 behind Charles - Red Bull could come 1-2 in the Driver's too.  I the Ferrari has a fight on their hands for 2nd now with Mercedes and Russel is now only one point behind Sainz. If Sainz hadn't gotten fastest lap they'd be tied....

Alpine put both cars in the top 10 as did McLaren so that battle remains really close too. Stroll managed to beat Vettel to 10th place, HAAS had a terrible race with KMag retiring and Schumi.....well it doesn't really matter where he finished it was well down the order.

Red Bull is now 82 pts ahead of Ferrari, and Ferrari is only 44 pts ahead of the Mercs. Alpine leads McLaren now by 4 pts and the others are so far behind it doesn't really matter.

If Ferrari continues with poor reliability and questionable tactics they could wind up throwing this season away, which is too bad because this year they clearly are more than competitive on performance.
Title: Re: F1 - 2022
Post by: Brit_in_TX on July 25, 2022, 11:30:42 AM
I said after the race that the championship is Max and Red Bull's to lose now. With a 63 point lead he can have 2 DNFs and still be leading. Also he has already had 2 DNFs at the beginning of the season.

 
Title: Re: F1 - 2022
Post by: BruceK on July 28, 2022, 07:13:42 AM
I just saw a video saying Vettel will retire at the end of this season.  I wonder how that will affect risks he will take from here to the end. 
Title: Re: F1 - 2022
Post by: MiniDave on July 28, 2022, 09:40:17 AM
I'm surprised/not surprised......there's been a lot of talk about this, both because of his and the cars performance not coming up to the standards they both expected and his stance on climate and ecology, and how that conflicts with driving an F1 car, or being involved in the F1 circus at all.

But that sure does open up some interesting speculation about what's happening with the team - maybe this is Audi's entrance, Stroll never bought the team as anything as other than an investment and an opportunity to put his son in an F1 race seat. If he can sell it to a deep pockets outfit like Audi I'm sure he'll make a nice chunk of change, and that gets Audi into F1 without having to pay the $200-400 million new entrant's fee like Andretti would, and they don't have to start from dead scratch. Aston/Force has all the facilities and engineers in place, Audi would only have to make the changes to accommodate the new rules and bring in their drivers - I doubt they would keep Stroll Jr., maybe quick Nick finally gets his shot?

Fun to think about......

His full statement:

I hereby announce my retirement from F1 by the end of the 2022 season. Probably I should start with a long list of people to thank now, but I feel it is more important to explain the reasons behind my decision.

I love this sport. It has been central to my life since I can remember, but as much as there is life on track, there is my life off track too. Being a racing driver has never been my sole identity. I very much believe in identity: by who we are and how we treat others, rather than what we do.

Who am I? I am Sebastian. Father of three children and husband to a wonderful woman. I am curious and easily fascinated by passionate or skilled people. I am obsessed with perfection, I am tolerant and feel we all have the same rights to live, no matter what we look like, where we come from and who we love.

I love being outside. I love nature and its wonders, I am stubborn and impatient. I can be really annoying. I like to make people laugh, I like chocolate and the smell of fresh bread. My favourite colour is blue. I believe in change, and progress and that every little bit makes a difference. I am an optimist and I believe people are good.

Next to racing I have grown a family and I love being around them. I have grown other interests outside of F1. My passion for racing and F1 comes with lots of time spent away from them, and takes a lot of energy.

Committing to my passion the way I did and the way I thought was right, does no longer go side by side with my wish to be a great father and husband. The energy it takes to become one with the car and the team to chase perfection, takes focus and commitment.

My goals have shifted from winning races and fighting for championships to seeing my children grow, passing on my values, helping them up when they fall, listening to them when they need me, not having to say goodbye and most importantly being able to learn from them and let them inspire me.

Children are our future. Further I feel there is so much to explore and learn about life, and about myself. Speaking of the future, I feel we live in very decisive times and how we all shape these next years will determines our lives.

My passion comes with certain aspects that I've learned to dislike, they might be solved in the future but the will to apply that change has to grow much, much stronger, and has to be leading into action today. Talk is not enough and we cannot afford to wait. There is no alternative. The race is under way.

My best race? Still to come. I believe in moving forwards and moving on. Time is a one way street, and I want to go with the times. Looking back is only going to slow you down.

I look forward to race down unknown tracks and I will be finding new challenges. The marks I left on track will stay until time and rain will wash them away. New ones will be put down. Tomorrow belongs to those shaping today. The next corner is in good hands as the new generation has already turned in.

I believe there is still a race to win. Farewell, and thanks for letting me share the track with you. I loved every bit of it.


Title: Re: F1 - 2022
Post by: MiniDave on July 30, 2022, 11:06:36 AM
Hungary - qually

Wow, another first for a driver - George Russell gets his first pole for Mercedes - which is also the first pole for a Mercedes this season! The Hamster's car had a problem with his DRS and aborted his last flying lap.

Red Bull had a terrible qually, finishing 10th and 11th, Verstappen complaining of no power on his last couple of laps.

Ferrari thought they had a front row lockout with Sainz ahead of Leclerc by a couple hundreths of a second till Russel popped up.

However..............how does this work? Russell was not fastest in any section, but somehow he was fastest overall?

So, the grid shapes up like this:

Russell
Sainz
LeClerc
Lando
Ocon
Fred
Hamster
Bottas
Ricky Bobby
Max
Checo

the rest......

So, both Mercedes, both Ferraris, both McLarens, both the Alpines are in the top 10. Interesting grid for tomorrow's race.

Oh, and it didn't rain a drop thru all of Qually!
Title: Re: F1 - 2022
Post by: gr8kornholio on July 30, 2022, 12:44:34 PM
Glad to see Ricky back in the top 10, but 5 spots back of teammate is not good.  There has got to be breakdown in communication.  Either he canít explain what he needs or they canít figure out how to get the car to do it.   My guess is based on how he drove in the Red Bull is he needs a very precise handling car.  If itís loose or tight at all heís just not going to get the performance out of the car.  I would think a McLaren would be about as close to a Red Bull out of all the chassis builders in matters of precision and with Lando it also appears to have good power. 
Title: Re: F1 - 2022
Post by: MiniDave on July 31, 2022, 01:14:20 PM
Wow - if you're a Ferrari fan  - well, all I can offer are condolences.

But this season is more and more looking like an episode of wrestling. You have the plucky contenders who were looking really good at the start but seem to shoot themselves in the foot nearly every race now.

We have the formerly dominant team starting from nowhere with seemingly like unsurmountable problems but now gaining momentum at every race.

And last year's wining driver seems to be indomitable.....

The retiring champion coming back to finish in the points - well one point anyway.

Another former champion scrapping for mid points while yet another falls down the order.....

It's just been a crazy season already and it looks like it's going to get worse for some.

If anyone else were winning races it might make for an interesting season.....I'll give you this, the top three teams are now really close together - everyone else seems to be in a different series as they're nowhere close by the end of the race. 7th place in this race was 78 seconds behind the leader - almost a lap.
Title: Re: F1 - 2022
Post by: MiniDave on July 31, 2022, 08:47:36 PM
Nothing more telling than seeing Mattia leave the pit wall and walk to the back of the garage with 15 laps to go......

You know the Tifosi and Italian press are going to be calling for heads to roll after yet another strategy cock up.
Title: Re: F1 - 2022
Post by: BruceK on July 31, 2022, 11:01:35 PM
Nothing more telling than seeing Mattia leave the pit wall and walk to the back of the garage with 15 laps to go......

You know the Tifosi and Italian press are going to be calling for heads to roll after yet another strategy cock up.

Yeah it did look bad.  But he was back on the pit wall within 3 minutes of leaving it. So maybe he needed a personal pitstop? Or he just went back to the motorhome and screamed a bit until he felt better?
Title: Re: F1 - 2022
Post by: MiniDave on August 01, 2022, 10:04:21 AM
Sure didn't take long for the dominoes to start to fall.....Alonso signs with Aston on a multi year deal.

https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.breaking-fernando-alonso-signs-to-aston-martin-for-2023-on-multi-year.1i8QwJht5v7dBCWFCcrqml.html?fbclid=IwAR1OVjIQvEamDoTL7NBUePWxett_CRmQ8vIvh2GWpz2zIKIL-Zj6etZ9Ur0

I'm a little surprised that he would go down the grid like this, with Alpine doing the best of the midfield runners now - holding 4th in the championship and beating McLaren......

Really opens up the silly season, as there will be many more musical chairs before it's done. Piastri was supposed to go to Williams on a lend/lease deal, now I wonder if Alpine will go ahead and pair him up with Ocon?

If they do Williams will have that seat open again - keep Latifi or move to someone else?
Title: Re: F1 - 2022
Post by: MiniDave on August 01, 2022, 10:19:21 AM
I don't know if I buy this.....it was clear all the cars struggled on the hard tires.....

https://www.planetf1.com/news/mattia-binotto-ferrari-slow-hungarian-gp/?fbclid=IwAR27s1my8LCXPsBuFWfp18zk3vjhZ01skxbYi5sL_C8VPhyULQl0npsfwdA (https://www.planetf1.com/news/mattia-binotto-ferrari-slow-hungarian-gp/?fbclid=IwAR27s1my8LCXPsBuFWfp18zk3vjhZ01skxbYi5sL_C8VPhyULQl0npsfwdA)
Title: Re: F1 - 2022
Post by: MiniDave on August 02, 2022, 03:27:05 PM
Another piece of the grid has fallen into place, this one was pretty much a foregone conclusion when Alonso jumped to Aston, Piastri has been hired at Renault/Alpine to replace Alonso. He's been in their development program for years now and after winning the F2 championship they needed to find him a ride in order to keep him in their program. There was talk of lending him to Williams for a year and with Williams slated to get Renault engines next year it looked like a good fit....now that won't happen obviously, so I wonder if the Renault engine deal is still on the table?

So, that leaves Latifi still up in the air and more and more it looks like Schumi Jr. could lose his seat at HAAS.

There was also talk at one point of Albon going to the Renault seat, but he quashed that saying he preferred to be at Williams.

Weird rumor of the day - LeClerc is sick of losing at Ferrari and wants to replace the Hamster at Mercedes?!!??

Edit: More fun stuff, Alpine learned that Alonso was going to Aston when Aston announced it! Classy, Fred, classy.....

Stop the presses!!!!

Oscar just put out a tweet that the Alpine announcement was wrong, and that he has NOT signed with them for 2023. speculation is that he's going to McLaren to replace Danny Ricky Bobby....

OH, and this just in - Hammy is now a part owner of the Denver Broncos!
https://www.denverpost.com/2022/08/02/lewis-hamilton-rob-walton-broncos-ownership-group/amp/ (https://www.denverpost.com/2022/08/02/lewis-hamilton-rob-walton-broncos-ownership-group/amp/)
Title: Re: F1 - 2022
Post by: Brit_in_TX on August 03, 2022, 12:53:07 PM
And Albon has signed a multi year deal with Williams. I imagine that is Williams locking in a seat after they had Piastri lined up and he is going who-knows-where!

On Piastri, a number of journos have speculated on twitter that his Alpine contract stated that he had to have a race seat in F1 2023 confirmed by the end of July or Alpine's option on him lapsed. With the surprise announcement that Alonso is leaving for Aston Martin on August 1st, wonder if they have been caught out and their contractual option on Piastri has lapsed. So now it will be lawyers sorting it out.  Regardless of the outcome, I imagine a deal will be done and we won't see Piastri in Alpine blue next season. Rumor is he has a deal signed with McLaren and Ricardio will be paid to to sit around and do nothing.
Title: Re: F1 - 2022
Post by: MiniDave on August 03, 2022, 02:23:10 PM
You're right, Piastri's option expired - they thought they had the deal sewn up with him going to Williams and Williams is not happy that they're not getting him. He'll be in orange jammies next season.

But here's the fun part, I hear Danny Ricky Bobby will be back at Renault next season....I would have thought he'd pretty much burned that bridge but Szafnauer says he would be happy to have him back. And I can guess why! I'm betting Big Mac is paying a bunch of money to get out of his contract and Renault will get him "cheap" - at least for one season, who knows after that?

So, Latifi and Schumi Jr are both on the bubble for next season, I really don't think Williams will keep Latifi despite the $$$$ he brings to the team, but I don't think Schumi is the answer for them either.

That part of the silly season has yet to be determined.....and American driver Sargeant will drive an FP1 when the season restarts.....

I would like to see Andretti buy either Sauber or Williams and jump into the fray!

I read Audi has interest in Schumi for their team once it all happens.....by then he'll have 5 years in F1.
Title: Re: F1 - 2022
Post by: Brit_in_TX on August 03, 2022, 04:34:02 PM
But here's the fun part, I hear Danny Ricky Bobby will be back at Renault next season....I would have thought he'd pretty much burned that bridge but Szafnauer says he would be happy to have him back. And I can guess why! I'm betting Big Mac is paying a bunch of money to get out of his contract and Renault will get him "cheap" - at least for one season, who knows after that?
The management has changed, so that is why Szafnauer is probably open to having him there.

So, Latifi and Schumi Jr are both on the bubble for next season, I really don't think Williams will keep Latifi despite the $$$$ he brings to the team, but I don't think Schumi is the answer for them either.
Latifi will be out, Williams no longer need the $$$$ he brings.  I think Schumi Jr has done enough to stay in F1, when the Haas works he has been keeping up with KMag honest. 

I would like to see Andretti buy either Sauber or Williams and jump into the fray!
Hasn't Andretti still got an application in to start a team?

I read Audi has interest in Schumi for their team once it all happens.....by then he'll have 5 years in F1.
Isn't that going to be with Red Bull, I don't think he has the talent to be there.
Title: Re: F1 - 2022
Post by: MiniDave on August 03, 2022, 04:42:00 PM
Porsche is buying 1/2 of Red bull F1 Racing, Audi is buying a team, either Sauber or Williams are the two top choices.

Andretti is trying to enter his own team, but the easier way for them would be to buy another team.....
Title: Re: F1 - 2022
Post by: Brit_in_TX on August 04, 2022, 09:52:02 AM
Interesting that Porsche and Audi are coming into F1 as they are both owned by the VW Group.



Title: Re: F1 - 2022
Post by: MiniDave on August 04, 2022, 10:17:29 AM
Yes, Porsche did it in the 80's with McLaren as just an engine supplier, so there's precedent for them - and they're only going to be the powertrain supplier again with Red Bull.

Audi OTOH is going full on, they'll start with their own engine and chassis and grow it from there....tho if they buy Sauber they'll be getting a good leg up.....

I think Porsche's efforts will be more effective at first because they already have experience with both this engine construction and the fuel that's they'll be using.

Audi does as well tho not as recent, but the chassis and aero will be new to them - it might take a while both from a power and performance standpoint and team development.

But - I like to see fresh ideas, I hope they allow some innovation as I think the sport has stagnated some in the last decade or so....
Title: Re: F1 - 2022
Post by: BruceK on August 04, 2022, 04:57:36 PM
Interesting that Porsche and Audi are coming into F1 as they are both owned by the VW Group.

I think itís a little weird since theyíre both hyper-focused on electric road cars and thatís not F1.  Seems like Formula E would make more sense.
Title: Re: F1 - 2022
Post by: MiniDave on August 04, 2022, 05:21:35 PM
I think it's the fuel......

Also, I hear Mercedes wants Nick DeVries in the Williams, and since they are the engine supplier they can throw some weight around, much like Ferrari does with HAAS and Alfa....I think Latifi's days are numbered. Truth is I wasn't sure he would finish this season. Still not sure he'll be back after the break.....
Title: Re: F1 - 2022
Post by: Brit_in_TX on August 08, 2022, 09:29:25 AM
I thought I read that Williams could be moving to Renault engines next year.
Title: Re: F1 - 2022
Post by: MiniDave on August 08, 2022, 10:42:51 AM
That's the rumor, that's why "loaning" Piastri to them in place of Latifi made sense - keeping him in the family so to speak - the Renault engine deal was part of that. But now that he's jumped ship (if he and the lawyers get that done) and he goes to Big Mac, I don't know if they'll still do it.
Title: Re: F1 - 2022
Post by: MiniDave on August 08, 2022, 12:50:42 PM
So, the other shoe has finally dropped - after signing Piastri as a "reserve" driver for 2023, Danny Ricky Bobby has been informed that he will not be driving for Big Mac next year. Once the terms of his release are finalized, Oscar's contract will be updated to full driver status.

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/mclaren-end-ricciardo-deal-piastri-2023/10349014/?fbclid=IwAR0B9Zg-Yc0JCqjx1EFv8z3aO3ayaNzr2O5I7P9OvAJuxC3HrF28Kl1q76Q (https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/mclaren-end-ricciardo-deal-piastri-2023/10349014/?fbclid=IwAR0B9Zg-Yc0JCqjx1EFv8z3aO3ayaNzr2O5I7P9OvAJuxC3HrF28Kl1q76Q)

Now the only question is will Ricciardo go back to Renault or simply take his many, many, many millions and go home?
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