Author Topic: Minis For Sale on BAT  (Read 89400 times)

Offline Vikram

Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
« Reply #950 on: November 02, 2018, 02:32:22 PM »
Hold up, so theres no VIN or body tag on the car? It's registered on the FE number?

I know with my cars incorrect VIN that I'm no one to talk, but that sounds dodgy.

Offline MPlayle

Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
« Reply #951 on: November 02, 2018, 03:05:00 PM »
It is a little "dodgy", but not unknown to happen with some of the older cars.  Since the VIN on older cars do not conform to the modern 17 character format, when a VIN inspection is done, they will sometimes cross up the VIN with the 'FE' number.  If no chassis plate and older paperwork mentions the 'FE' number, an inspector may chose to recognize the 'FE' number as the identifying number for the car.

I almost had something similar happen with one of the Minis I imported as the 'FE' number on the slam panel was where the inspector first looked versus the chassis plate mounted on the inner wing partially covered by the wiring harness.


Offline MiniDave

Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
« Reply #952 on: November 02, 2018, 04:41:13 PM »
There are plenty of Minis running around with completely made up vins, at least this one has a number that came from the factory attached to the car, so even tho it's not an actual vin, it does go with the car.
1989 Cooper Racing Green
2009 Clubman S
1969 Jaguar XK-E FHC
2004 Audi Allroad 2.7 TT

Offline Whee

Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
« Reply #953 on: November 02, 2018, 11:12:58 PM »
While there are lots of reasonable explanations, I wouldn't touch it. Would always be worried it was a stolen car.

Offline BruceK

Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
« Reply #954 on: November 08, 2018, 05:01:47 PM »
On BaT now is a very clean good looking Mk. I Mini.   It's being listed as a Cooper but with no original VIN that ain't happening without a fight from the commentators.   Still, other then the missing provenance, it looks like it will be difficult to find fault with this car (at least with as much as is known on the first of the auction)

My early guestimate is this will go into the $20Ks.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1967-austin-mini-cooper-mk1/


After A LOT, and I mean A LOT of discussion about missing VIN plates and this being listed as a Cooper but not a Cooper, this very nice Mini just sold for $21,000.    I think that was a fair price.
1988 Austin Mini
2002 MINI Cooper S
2007 Triumph Bonneville

Offline MiniDave

Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
« Reply #955 on: November 08, 2018, 05:25:17 PM »
I think so too, it was a very nice car - but that was the top of the market IMHO.
1989 Cooper Racing Green
2009 Clubman S
1969 Jaguar XK-E FHC
2004 Audi Allroad 2.7 TT

Offline Jimini II

Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
« Reply #956 on: December 03, 2018, 11:24:20 AM »
Another lhd Cooper S for sale on BaT. Will not do the big bucks due to the non originality of it and somewhat shoddy work imo.

Offline MiniDave

Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
« Reply #957 on: December 03, 2018, 12:30:48 PM »
« Last Edit: December 03, 2018, 12:39:25 PM by MiniDave »
1989 Cooper Racing Green
2009 Clubman S
1969 Jaguar XK-E FHC
2004 Audi Allroad 2.7 TT

Offline BruceK

Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
« Reply #958 on: December 03, 2018, 01:35:39 PM »
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1967-mini-cooper-s/

Shiny paint!

Yeah, it's kind of difficult to come up with something really nice to say about that car, so 'shiny paint' is a bit appropriate!

As with that white Cooper S from Wisconsin recently offered on BaT, I think this car is a poorly presented example and it just won't be able to overcome its flaws.  It's apparently a real Cooper S, but so many of the details are off-putting (tan interior, dirty engine compartment, Chevelle headliner, corroded switch panel, missing boot board, painted Union flag, non-original color, etc.) that it is never going to reach its full potential on BaT.   It does have two things going for it: it's already in California where a lot of potential buyers want it to be, and it's still a wet suspension car for those buyers that really want that.   But neither of those things is truly that important.

My wild ass guess, here on the first day of this auction, is this car will struggle to break into the low $20Ks.  But as more info about the car comes to light, perhaps that might change a little.  Right now, there isn't even a Heritage Certificate shown, and that is pretty much a must-have on a Mk. I claiming to be a Cooper S.   

Some irony. Instead of a plain Mini all badged-up pretending to be a Cooper S, this looks to be a Cooper S going completely incognito.


1988 Austin Mini
2002 MINI Cooper S
2007 Triumph Bonneville

Offline Whee

Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
« Reply #959 on: December 03, 2018, 01:53:27 PM »
I suspect this will go to a Mini newbie when likes the BRG and the flag :)

I'm not convinced it's a true 'S", but it's just so hard to tell unless you have years of history on the car. I'd agree it's been done so badly, it's actually more likely to be real than some we see :)

Offline Jimini II

Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
« Reply #960 on: December 05, 2018, 06:09:42 PM »
Now a 1967 Austin Mini Woodie on BaT with some i am guessing NZ sourced sliding windows in the rear, looks in good shape but mainly a paint job with some fresh wood and a bit of an interior freshen up, the 850 engine looks and by the compression figures is tired along with multiple oil leaks.

Offline BruceK

Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
« Reply #961 on: December 05, 2018, 08:18:02 PM »
Now a 1967 Austin Mini Woodie on BaT with some i am guessing NZ sourced sliding windows in the rear, looks in good shape but mainly a paint job with some fresh wood and a bit of an interior freshen up, the 850 engine looks and by the compression figures is tired along with multiple oil leaks.

Yeah, those rear side windows are weird.  And unecessary?  Normally the wood would be holding the glass in place.  To my eyes this looks a steel-body wagon from NZ - which are pretty much just Vans with rear windows cut in the sheetmetal, that has had a custom wood kit installed, and they had to work the wood around the windows.


Here's the link:  https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1967-austin-mini-countryman-2/

And a photo.




1988 Austin Mini
2002 MINI Cooper S
2007 Triumph Bonneville

Offline MiniDave

Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
« Reply #962 on: December 05, 2018, 08:25:31 PM »
It's a good looking wagon, good color combo and people like the wood look....it should sell easily enough unless he wants stupid money for it. 850 is the main stumbling block for most people....easily fixed with an engine transplant.

A couple of people mentioned that an 1 3/4" is a lot of carb for a 30 hp 850.
1989 Cooper Racing Green
2009 Clubman S
1969 Jaguar XK-E FHC
2004 Audi Allroad 2.7 TT

Offline BruceK

Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
« Reply #963 on: December 05, 2018, 08:55:30 PM »
Yeah, Almond Green looks great paired with the wood.
1988 Austin Mini
2002 MINI Cooper S
2007 Triumph Bonneville

Offline Whee

Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
« Reply #964 on: December 05, 2018, 09:19:50 PM »
A woody estate is one of the few major variants I have not owned. My fingers are itching. I'm with Bruce though - I'm suspicious it's a van.

Offline BruceK

Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
« Reply #965 on: December 05, 2018, 10:01:11 PM »
A woody estate is one of the few major variants I have not owned. My fingers are itching. I'm with Bruce though - I'm suspicious it's a van.


I don't think it was a Van.  The W in the VIN indicates it's always been a wagon.  But the difference is that for New Zealand Minis, the wagons and vans were much closer in construction.  Basically, as I understand it, unlike the UK-built Mini estates with one side panel sheet metal stamping for the estate cars and another one for the Mini Van, in New Zealand both van and wagon started life with the same side panel stamping and it had no windows.  But for the wagons, they either took an additional step and stamped out a hole in the panel for the side windows, or they simply cut it out.   And then they installed a fixed piece of window glass held in with a rubber gasket (just like on rear doors or windshield).   And all this is muddled by home conversions turning them into estates by owners of Mini Vans by adding side windows. 

I searched the Interwebs for an example, but the closest I found was this - and I think this is a home-grown mashup.  But you get the idea. 




Edit: Here's a better example.



« Last Edit: December 05, 2018, 10:05:04 PM by BruceK »
1988 Austin Mini
2002 MINI Cooper S
2007 Triumph Bonneville

Offline Whee

Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
« Reply #966 on: December 05, 2018, 10:14:54 PM »
Aha! That makes sense. Thanks for the information.

Offline MiniDave

Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
« Reply #967 on: December 05, 2018, 11:06:45 PM »
The other thing is the floor was different on the vans, and no provision for the rear seat. I think the vans used the same floor as the pickups.
1989 Cooper Racing Green
2009 Clubman S
1969 Jaguar XK-E FHC
2004 Audi Allroad 2.7 TT

Offline Jimini II

Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
« Reply #968 on: December 07, 2018, 09:30:48 AM »
Most of the NZ Estates i have seen have had the one piece glass in them not sliding windows like the one for sale.
I imagine as they were sent there a CKD kits to use local hardware as much as possible for the build they probably all went there as Vans to save on taxes, pretty much the same as the UK buyers did to save the purchase tax.
I never understood it as by the time you purchased a seat and windows you would have been close if not past the tax savings along with no interior like an Estate.

Offline mascher

Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
« Reply #969 on: December 10, 2018, 12:59:44 PM »
BMC and Leyland made a wood load floor van for export only. It was a van but the steel load floor was replaced with something like the estate rear floor pressing, it was unique to the wood load floor van though. In countries with high tariffs on personal vehicles these could be imported at the commercial vehicle rates and converted at the time of sale depending on the local laws. BMC could also supply a rear seat kit that looks a lot like the one in the BAT ad, not identical since this one doesn't have the folded steel rests for the back of the seat. The side windows appear to be left up to the dealer or new owner. The quickest way to identify a modified wood load floor van is by the wide rail under the rear (side) windows but the lack of a vertical support that would run through the middle of the rear (side) windows.
Kelley

Offline BruceK

Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
« Reply #970 on: December 10, 2018, 02:00:07 PM »


My wild ass guess, here on the first day of this auction, is this car will struggle to break into the low $20Ks.



Bingo.  Bid to $20,100 and RNM.   

Goes to show that no one is going to pay crazy prices for a Mk. I Cooper S that is so far away from being original — and is undocumented at that.   

They could’ve spent $5000-$7500 to rectify many of those things bringing closer or original and reaped much more in a winning bid.
1988 Austin Mini
2002 MINI Cooper S
2007 Triumph Bonneville

Offline Jimini II

Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
« Reply #971 on: December 10, 2018, 02:50:43 PM »
I think the only reason it got that high was because he found the body number and it matched the vin number making it a true S, well as true as you can get 51 years later ;)

Offline Jimini II

Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
« Reply #972 on: December 10, 2018, 02:54:35 PM »
Now a 1967 Austin Mini Woodie on BaT with some i am guessing NZ sourced sliding windows in the rear, looks in good shape but mainly a paint job with some fresh wood and a bit of an interior freshen up, the 850 engine looks and by the compression figures is tired along with multiple oil leaks.

Yeah, those rear side windows are weird.  And unecessary?  Normally the wood would be holding the glass in place.  To my eyes this looks a steel-body wagon from NZ - which are pretty much just Vans with rear windows cut in the sheetmetal, that has had a custom wood kit installed, and they had to work the wood around the windows.


Here's the link:  https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1967-austin-mini-countryman-2/

And a photo.


This ones not getting much love at around $6k the last time i looked, might be another rnm auction.
Ditch the 850 for at least a 998 and install the UK spec sliders in the rear along with the discs and 10's already there it would be a nice woody.

Offline MPlayle

Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
« Reply #973 on: December 10, 2018, 03:08:24 PM »
Actually, the NZ Woody is a "No Reserve" auction.  It will go to a new home whatever the bidding gets up to.


Offline BruceK

Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
« Reply #974 on: December 10, 2018, 03:20:07 PM »
Actually, the NZ Woody is a "No Reserve" auction.  It will go to a new home whatever the bidding gets up to.

 Yeah with no reserve it kind of changes the dynamic and brings out the bargain hunter in bidders. 

My guess, with only a tired 850 under the bonnet, but with a rare and apparently rust-free body that presents well, is this woody will go into the mid-teens. 
1988 Austin Mini
2002 MINI Cooper S
2007 Triumph Bonneville