Author Topic: Mini Ecoboost Project  (Read 13096 times)

Offline jeff10049

Re: Mini Ecoboost Project
« Reply #25 on: July 03, 2016, 01:20:33 AM »
I would think a base car would be easier. Also you are using the auto trans that comes with it so you have a output shaft speed sensor that you can use if you go no abs sensors. I can't tell for sure in all data if the speed signal goes straight from the output speed to the ecu that'd be easy. Or if it gets converted via 4wabs or other module first like the ford pick up's. It for sure comes out of the ecu digital on the data lines to the other computers just can't tell if it comes in analog the diagrams in alldata suck ass on the 1.0 .Well everything really not sure why i pay for it.

Im sure you have access to a scope might want to check out a few signals at the ecu  when you get the donor before taking it apart just so you know what they need to be.

I wonder if the system SC sells uses a speed signal? we just could not get the v6 to run right without the ecu knowing the speed. Maybe some tuners can get rid of that not sure you'd want to though. kind of important with the vvt and all to work optimum.

Also the 1.0 is started by a combo of either the fcim or bcm and ecu no direct connection from the ign switch to starter. It just sends a signal to the computers to initiate a start cycle so check that out before disabling the donor. See what signal and what computer pin it goes to for starting. Although I think you can bypass most the stuff on a 1.0.

Good times ahead it's kinda fun figuring all this stuff out. I can't wait for this project to get going. If I see a good donor i'll let you know shipping might suck though.

Jeff

 


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Re: Mini Ecoboost Project
« Reply #26 on: July 03, 2016, 09:27:06 AM »
Excellent! Thanks for the input!

I have Alldata access too, as well as Mitchell, but I haven't jumped into it yet. Yes, I want the auto trans and in fact without letting out too much info I plan to use as much of the car as I can to minimize the modifications....hell, I might even wind up with cruise control!  4.gif
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Re: Mini Ecoboost Project
« Reply #27 on: July 07, 2016, 06:31:01 PM »
Delivered the 67 Cooper S to Dan's shop today, and he and I discussed the work needed for my shell too. He's got so much work booked in the rest of this year I got a feeling I'll be driving around in primer till the spring - if I'm driving at all!   4.gif

Up to me to find a donor car/engine now.....then I can get going.

In the meantime, I have a few A series engines to build too......another came home with me today and I have two others (one for a Sprite) coming in the next couple of months.
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Re: Mini Ecoboost Project
« Reply #28 on: July 07, 2016, 07:52:35 PM »
I have a feeling you're going to building lots of engines.  I actually talked to a buddy today about asking amongst his mechanic friends for body guys I can hire to tackle all these minis.  7 at the shop right now and 3 more in line. 

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Re: Mini Ecoboost Project
« Reply #29 on: July 08, 2016, 02:40:19 PM »
To that end I went down to Home Depot and bought a sheet of 3/4" melamine coated pressboard, I routed out some holes on the bottom to accept the stop lugs welded on the lift, that will hold the board in place as I slide things around on it.

Being able to adjust the height of the work surface is a big help to my back, and the melamine surface will clean up easily.



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Re: Mini Ecoboost Project
« Reply #30 on: July 08, 2016, 03:22:17 PM »
Neat idea. 4.gif

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Re: Mini Ecoboost Project
« Reply #31 on: July 08, 2016, 03:24:19 PM »
All those restoration mini engines  4.gif

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Re: Mini Ecoboost Project
« Reply #32 on: July 08, 2016, 03:37:07 PM »
There's another in the test stand...sorta. My old block, your trans and cylinder head....... too many taken apart and not enough going back together yet.

It'll be fun when I can start some assembly.....I guess I could go ahead and get the block on the 67 Cooper S engine going, except till I sell it for sure I don't know how the new owner will want it done.
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Re: Mini Ecoboost Project
« Reply #33 on: July 08, 2016, 03:54:24 PM »
Well hopefully my cam and timing chain aren't back ordered much longer. 

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Re: Mini Ecoboost Project
« Reply #34 on: July 08, 2016, 06:27:55 PM »
Is the second 1100 the one in Rusty? That would make a great turbo or supercharged engine!
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Re: Mini Ecoboost Project
« Reply #35 on: July 08, 2016, 06:32:44 PM »
It is and that's what I'm thinking about doing.  Then the question is which car do I put it in...

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Re: Mini Ecoboost Project
« Reply #36 on: July 08, 2016, 07:00:03 PM »
So many choices!   :-[ ;D 77.gif
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Re: Mini Ecoboost Project
« Reply #37 on: July 08, 2016, 07:14:48 PM »
How much power can one of these trannys actually handle?

Offline Vikram

Re: Mini Ecoboost Project
« Reply #38 on: July 08, 2016, 09:36:37 PM »
I can't imagine it's too hard to retro fit the metro turbo setup into one of those? I know you have to change pistons in the 1275 to drop cr, but the 1098 is low enough already.

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Re: Mini Ecoboost Project
« Reply #39 on: July 08, 2016, 11:29:38 PM »
Yep, should work just fine.....cr for the 998 is 8.3:1, the 1098 is 8.5:1 and the 1275 is 8.8:1, not a lot of difference there....I don't know what the turbo's were.
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Offline Vikram

Re: Mini Ecoboost Project
« Reply #40 on: July 09, 2016, 08:01:46 PM »
I know it's a long way away, but are you planning on running the ecoboost stock as is, or tweaking the boost etc?
I had a quick look, and you weren't lying, ecoboosts are hard to find, especially wrecks....

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Re: Mini Ecoboost Project
« Reply #41 on: July 09, 2016, 08:25:54 PM »
Stock is 125 hp and 145 torques, that should be plenty!  4.gif
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Re: Mini Ecoboost Project
« Reply #42 on: July 09, 2016, 08:26:53 PM »
I can't imagine it's too hard to retro fit the metro turbo setup into one of those? I know you have to change pistons in the 1275 to drop cr, but the 1098 is low enough already.

Actually, you can just add a spacer plate under the headgasket, you don't have to change pistons.
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Offline TJF

Re: Mini Ecoboost Project
« Reply #43 on: August 02, 2016, 11:10:21 AM »
MiniDave,

I've thought about the 1.0L ecoboost as a Mini engine since I first heard of it.  I've occasionally been able to find wrecked cars on Copart, but they seem few and far between. An internet friend who does powertrain development for Ford thinks the swap will be too difficult to complete with all the electronics the engine has. The typical stand alone ECU's on the market can't handle the direct injection as far as I know. Ford did build a dune buggy type car that used a 1.0L ecoboost engine, but apparently even for the folks at Ford it was quite a a challenge to get it up and running. I hope you manage to make this work as I would love to see it.

If Ford would support the 1.0L like they do the larger Ecoboost engines and offer a kit it would be nice, although I doubt it would be cheap.

Offline TJF

Re: Mini Ecoboost Project
« Reply #44 on: August 02, 2016, 11:15:21 AM »


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Offline Merlin

Re: Mini Ecoboost Project
« Reply #45 on: August 02, 2016, 11:38:44 AM »
A very expensive alternative would be to go to a standalone. This would mean butchering the harness.

http://www.motec.com/m1/m1overview/

Motec supports direct injection and a host of other things. I don't know if there is any cam phasing in the ecoboost, but this would be a start at looking into the swap. Motec is generally good at answering engineering questions, so give them a shout.


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Offline flipstah

Re: Mini Ecoboost Project
« Reply #46 on: August 02, 2016, 11:45:15 AM »
Subscribed for shenanigans.  4.gif

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Re: Mini Ecoboost Project
« Reply #47 on: August 02, 2016, 11:50:37 AM »
If apexi power fc has anything for an ecoboost I have a data log kit that can be used for tuning.

Offline Merlin

Re: Mini Ecoboost Project
« Reply #48 on: August 02, 2016, 12:01:36 PM »
You had talked earlier about using the fiesta because of its size vs the focus which is a little larger and more abundant. I have been looking over the ford parts website for a couple of moments comparing the fiesta trans and axles against the focus and they share the same part number. It may be worth looking into as the 1l fiesta is so hard to come by. Since the axles and hubs are the same, the difference must come in the wheels for the car.

May help with the search if you decided to ditch the dash as part of the swap.


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Re: Mini Ecoboost Project
« Reply #49 on: August 02, 2016, 04:16:35 PM »
Ditch the dash....on the Mini or the Fiesta?

I need to check again but I thought the track was wider on the Fiesta.....

My plan was to use as much of the Fiesta as I could, like the entire dash etc to make it easier - sort of like simply changing the body......

Edit: gotcha....not use the Ford dash as the Focus is different......
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