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Title: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on January 08, 2015, 02:41:54 PM
Any of you follow BaT -Bring a Trailer?

Currently this one is for sale now..... http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1966-austin-mini/ (http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1966-austin-mini/)

There's also this racecar..... http://bringatrailer.com/2015/01/06/class-chameleon-1968-austin-mini-racer/ (http://bringatrailer.com/2015/01/06/class-chameleon-1968-austin-mini-racer/)

This Vtec "kit" sold recently - and surprised me how much it brought.... http://bringatrailer.com/listing/64-morrismini-clubman-estate-wagon/ (http://bringatrailer.com/listing/64-morrismini-clubman-estate-wagon/)
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Mudhen on January 10, 2015, 07:40:33 AM
I'm an avid BAT-er... 4.gif

That race car is a LOT of car for the money - man, wish I could afford it, even if just for the motor and the dog box...
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on January 10, 2015, 10:54:09 AM
I'm surprised how many have been on there....there was an Innocenti that sold last month too...

The first one will be interesting to see what it brings....
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jims5543 on January 12, 2015, 04:19:53 PM
Almost worth buying some of them just for the engines, I need an engine.  ;D
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on January 12, 2015, 05:27:08 PM
Hard to beat an engine from 7 Ent for value......by the time I finished mine I was only a couple thou cheaper than what they sell one of their rebuilt motors with gearbox for.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Mudhen on January 12, 2015, 06:44:19 PM
Hard to beat an engine from 7 Ent for value......by the time I finished mine I was only a couple thou cheaper than what they sell one of their rebuilt motors with gearbox for.

I'd like to just get a Swiftune setup with dog box and be done with it.  Any idea of the cost of one of those setups?  $20k?  I was on there today ooogling over parts I can't afford and once again thinking, 'does anyone really buy stuff here a'la carte?'  Too many options for my simple mind.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jims5543 on January 21, 2015, 01:53:15 PM
BAT sure has changed over the years it used to be a place where you could buy a barn find car for a decent price then trailer it home. Now you buy a car for 50-60K and put it in an enclosed trailer to protect it on its way home.

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on January 21, 2015, 04:07:18 PM
Yes, it does seem to cater to the more expensive stuff now.....but then there are only so many barns..... ::)
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on February 27, 2015, 03:02:44 PM
Today BAT is selling their own MkI, with no reserve.....

http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1960-morris-mini/ (http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1960-morris-mini/)

(http://bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/1960-Morris-Mini-Minor-Mk1-White-For-Sale-Cooper-S-Rear-e1424911189597-940x636.jpg)
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on September 26, 2016, 03:23:36 PM
Anyone currently watching the Minis on BAT?

There have been some crazy high prices over the past several months.   

This one is just about to be sold:

http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1960-morris-cooper/

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: stan360 on September 26, 2016, 04:31:20 PM
I just checked that one about 3 days ago and I thought it was sitting around 6k....They really jump in last hours of the auction.  There was a moke sold for 35K the other day and this 60 from a couple weeks ago sort of surprised me a bit

http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1960-morris-850-t-mini/
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on September 26, 2016, 04:50:20 PM
That Moke selling price was crazy IMO.  And so was the price for the "rough but somewhat original" 1960 Mini 850.   

But I guess this might reflect a change in the Mini market.    Great if you are selling, not so great if you want to buy. 

Perhaps time to call my insurance company and increase my coverage for my Mini...
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: 94touring on September 26, 2016, 07:02:18 PM
If anyone wants a crazy priced car, I have a 67 cooper S that can be built to spec  4.gif
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on September 29, 2016, 06:31:18 PM
There is currently an Oz Moke on BAT to be auctioned there.

http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1972-mini-australian-moke/

My guess is it will sell for $20K to $22K at that venue. 

BTW, I use a pseudonym on that site.  I am LarryH when I post there.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on September 29, 2016, 06:59:58 PM
That 200K mile purple Jag brought $57,500!!!!!

I know the guy that owns it and he took it on the Southwest Oil Leak tour a few years ago, I was going to go on that but could not get off work long enough. They still do them but I haven't kept up since I've been Mini-ing.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on October 05, 2016, 05:10:05 PM
There is currently an Oz Moke on BAT to be auctioned there.

[url]http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1972-mini-australian-moke/[/url]

My guess is it will sell for $20K to $22K at that venue. 

BTW, I use a pseudonym on that site.  I am LarryH when I post there.


That Moke just sold for $22,250, pretty darn close to the high end I guesstimated.  And substantially less than the British Moke the week before that sold for $35K. 

I think Mini values might just be going up a little.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on October 18, 2016, 04:50:35 PM
There a couple of Mk. I Minis for auction on BAT. 

This car was just listed, but I think this kind of tatty but very original 1965 Cooper S will bring about $40K, maybe even more. 

http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1965-mini-cooper-s/


And I think this 1966 Mini 850 from New Zealand will go for about $12K.

http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1966-mini-mk-i/
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on October 18, 2016, 05:59:32 PM
Is that 850 a Hydro car? I didn't know they did the hydro suspension on 850's......
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on October 18, 2016, 08:50:15 PM
Is that 850 a Hydro car? I didn't know they did the hydro suspension on 850's......

Yup.  All Mk. I and Mk. II Minis got Hydrolastic from about 1964 to about 1970 (with the exception of the Moke and the long wheelbase wagons/vans/pickups). 

Even the Riley Elf and Wolseley Hornet got the wet suspension.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: TJF on October 19, 2016, 05:04:53 PM
The Cooper S is above what I would pay for it already. The 850 on the other hand looks like a good deal with 22 hours remaining. Anyone here in Atlanta and know the car?
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on October 19, 2016, 05:13:03 PM
The Cooper S is above what I would pay for it already.

Yes, but.  The Cooper S is already at $30K as I write this, with 5+ days left to go.  Unless some major flaw about the car is unearthed and people continue post enthusiastic comments about it, I am revising my guesstimate and I think it could go north of $50K.  Which is crazy, consider it is pretty tatty-looking.  But unrestored is now the rage for some people, and I think this one will have 'legs'.

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: mascher on October 20, 2016, 02:36:24 PM
An original finish in unrestored condition is what every collector looks for and not just in car collecting. You can never reapply an original finish. Even just buffing it out would probably lower it's value. Shiney isn't everyone's ultimate goal.

Kelley
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on October 20, 2016, 11:13:00 PM
Well, the Mini 850 on BAT didn't make the reserve.  Bidding only rose to just under $7K.   

However, I still think the Cooper S will go for big bucks. 
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on October 25, 2016, 03:50:27 PM
The Cooper S is above what I would pay for it already.

Yes, but.  The Cooper S is already at $30K as I write this, with 5+ days left to go.  Unless some major flaw about the car is unearthed and people continue post enthusiastic comments about it, I am revising my guesstimate and I think it could go north of $50K.  Which is crazy, consider it is pretty tatty-looking.  But unrestored is now the rage for some people, and I think this one will have 'legs'.

The '65 Cooper S auction at BAT just completed.  It sold for $43K.    A bit under my guesstimate of $50K, but that's a lot of money for an very original, but scrappy-looking authentic 1275 Cooper S.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on October 25, 2016, 06:35:27 PM
I suppose that's a better value than the one that sold for $55K and needed everything done to it, but still......

Gives you a market to shoot for on your 67 S, doesn't it Dan?
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: 94touring on October 25, 2016, 06:43:10 PM
Yeah after seeing these insane prices decided to build the car for myself.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on November 14, 2016, 05:46:07 PM
Now there's a Moke on BaT. 

It is just a bit of project, but perhaps it will be priced accordingly? 

http://bringatrailer.com/2016/11/14/no-reserve-1967-mini-moke-project/
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on November 14, 2016, 05:57:11 PM
"Under $1000 at the time of this writing"

But yeah, just a bit of a project.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MPlayle on November 14, 2016, 06:10:26 PM
It is also posted on Mini Mania for about $780.

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: jedduh01 on November 15, 2016, 07:45:18 AM
I wish it was on my side of the country, that has all the potential to be brought right back!    I know  you could blast it,  weld it = clean it up = re sell for profit still dissassembled.   1K is still a bargain...

Who can go get it ,. store it while i can prepare to pick it up?
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: jeff10049 on November 15, 2016, 11:38:48 PM
Well Shit, I missed this could of grabbed it in a weekend.
Oh well I have two other projects waiting.


Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on November 16, 2016, 10:19:05 AM
Sold for over $2600!
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on November 18, 2016, 05:25:05 PM
There's another Mini for sale on BaT.    And it's a Mk. I, but, and of course it has been modified a little.   Some things might not be to everyones' tastes.

http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1962-austin-mini-cooper-2/

My guess is that this Mini, baring any surprises about its condition, will sell for about $15K or so.   What do you think?
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MPlayle on November 18, 2016, 06:15:47 PM
The suspension sits a little low.  The flag door cards are not to my taste, but otherwise seems a nice car.

The way BAT auctions have been going lately, I would be tempted to say it might go between $18K and $20K.

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on November 18, 2016, 07:57:19 PM
Boy they sure do go on about whether it's a "Cooper " or not......over here they're pretty much all Mini Coopers......I think it will struggle to get much over $10K
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on November 19, 2016, 11:52:08 AM
Yeah, some items not to my taste. 

Not a single mention of rust (or no rust) because some things are polarizing people.   I definitely think there are simple things that could be done to make it more "Mini" which would help it appeal to more potential buyers.    What's the deal with not using Mini gauges, or at least ones that look like Mini ones?  Seats are not my taste either. A grille with no grille surround?   The cheap Mini 25 wheel arches painted blue are the first thing that I'd change, replacing with the chrome trim that looks so good on an early Mini.   
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on November 19, 2016, 12:20:51 PM
In some of the comments it said the door cards were just thin plywood with the flag painted on them....

I think one guy hopes the negative comments continue, so he can buy it cheaper. In the comments they said it only got to $7500 at a recent auction, but the owner said that was a muscle car auction and there was no real interest in either his car or the other British car at the sale.

At any rate, it will be interesting to see which mods kill a car and which ones enhance it.

Seats look comfy to me, if not particularly good or appropriate, but then I had a Miata seat in mine.......

One other thing that kinda gripes me, and I see this in a lot of car ads......why can't they vacuum the interior before a photo shoot for an ad?
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on November 26, 2016, 11:25:59 AM
The Blue Mini sold for $17,777..............
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: jeff10049 on November 26, 2016, 02:54:14 PM
BAT seems to bring big money for some stuff. Although I have seen some deals here and there if I wanted to sell a car I'd certainly give it a try. That mini went about 7k higher than I would of thought.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on November 26, 2016, 04:24:04 PM
BAT seems to bring big money for some stuff. Although I have seen some deals here and there if I wanted to sell a car I'd certainly give it a try. That mini went about 7k higher than I would of thought.
Yeah.  A couple grand more than I thought.  Michael said between $18K and $20K, and he pretty much nailed it.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on December 01, 2016, 11:08:18 PM
Not on BaT, but definitely one I've never seen before - and it's here in the US!

http://topclassiccarsforsale.com/austin/32719-1969-austin-mini-1000-fiberglass-body-made-in-chile.html (http://topclassiccarsforsale.com/austin/32719-1969-austin-mini-1000-fiberglass-body-made-in-chile.html)

(http://topclassiccarsforsale.com/uploads/photoalbum/1969-austin-mini-1000-fiberglass-body-made-in-chile-1.JPG)
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on December 02, 2016, 08:10:43 AM
(I think you pasted the wrong link above - it goes to a Mini parts supplier)

Looks like that may be one of the fiberglass-bodied Minis from Chile?  Or the later ones, MiniCord, from Venezuela? 

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on December 02, 2016, 08:52:54 AM
Yep, wrong link.....and yes, fiberglass bodied Mini made in Chile for sale in Tenn, $7500 asking price ....weird looking car, I'll see if I can find the link again.

Edit: Link corrected.....

http://topclassiccarsforsale.com/austin/32719-1969-austin-mini-1000-fiberglass-body-made-in-chile.html (http://topclassiccarsforsale.com/austin/32719-1969-austin-mini-1000-fiberglass-body-made-in-chile.html)
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on December 02, 2016, 09:18:09 AM
I saw one of these at the British Motor Heritage museum in Gaydon about 20 years ago.  They look kinda of weird to eyes used to seeing regular Minis - the details are so different.   

Back in the 1990s, I was very interested in buying a new MiniCord, which was another, different, fiberglass Mini.  Much better looking IMO (they even molded in the weld seams -- and flares too).  There was a guy in Florida who was importing MiniCords from Venezuela where they were produced by an established company that specialized in building fiberglass truck cabs.  I received a MiniCord brochure and keychain, and t-shirt.  I was ready to pull the trigger.  Then the Feds were not as on top of <25 year imports back then, but the were smart enough to put a stop to the MiniCord cars coming here.

Here's one.  Note the unusual roof gutter. 

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on December 02, 2016, 09:20:01 AM
Here's a link to a photo album of a MiniCord.  Lots of little detail differences:

http://www.hotrodcolombia.com/?page_id=385
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: jeff10049 on December 04, 2016, 02:41:27 PM
that would be fun to have I could drive it in the winter without the rust worry. I would think it to be safer/stronger car as well. 

I bid on a nice 53 ford prefect on bat last week but it went over my bid. Almost wishing id gone higher now... But I'm really looking for a Model A ford. Anyone a project model a for sale?

http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1953-ford-prefect/
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on December 06, 2016, 04:33:02 PM
Technically, this 1970 Mini 1000 Mk. II is not for sale on BAT, (it's being offered on eBay), but it is featured on BAT.

Said to rust-free, it looks very original. The Mk. II Minis are pretty rare since they were not built for very long - and very few got in to the US before the door shut in 1968.   

Ebay auctions are weird things, so it is difficult to estimate what it will sell for.  My guess is $8K to $10K, but if it was a BAT auction, I'd say easily $12K with the right seller participation. 

http://bringatrailer.com/2016/12/06/lhd-euro-import-1970-austin-mini-1000/



Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on December 09, 2016, 03:48:59 PM
Looks like the first auction was stopped for some reason, and the Mini has been listed again:  http://www.ebay.com/itm/1970-Austin-MINI-MKII-Super-Luxe-Saloon-/201743801405?rmvSB=true
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on December 15, 2016, 01:32:02 PM
Ebay auctions are weird things, so it is difficult to estimate what it will sell for.  My guess is $8K to $10K ...

Sold for $8K.  Somebody got a nice, original Mini for that price.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on December 15, 2016, 02:10:17 PM
That looks like it was well bought for $8K......

I saw a thread on The Mini Forum (UK) that claims Mini prices are dropping over there....might be a good time to pick some up?

Hard to understand when someone in England paid $55K for a "barn find" Cooper S this past summer, but who knows? I'm sure they were talking about garden variety 70's and 80's 998s and such.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on December 23, 2016, 01:16:34 PM
Here's a nice Mk. I Cooper S on Hemmings.    Lots of modifications, including a rear wiper.  Seems priced kinda high to me.  But maybe not considering the prices paid for other, non-running Mk. I Cooper S cars lately?

https://www.hemmings.com/classifieds/cars-for-sale/mini/cooper-s/1897691.html
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on January 13, 2017, 05:05:48 PM
Another Mini offered on a BAT auction:

http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1974-leyland-mini-1000/

This one used to live in New Zealand and has a some very unusual rust.     Well, actually, it's regular old rust, but it is in an unusual place. 

My guess is that it will sell for $7500.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on January 13, 2017, 05:08:11 PM
BAT is also featuring a "big Mini", an MG 1100 for sale too:

http://bringatrailer.com/2017/01/11/badge-engineering-champion-1967-mg-1100/
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on January 13, 2017, 11:20:26 PM
Spot the unique difference on this Mini Van from Oklahoma.

Just sold on eBay for $4,000.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1965-Mini-Classic-Mini-Custom-/272517160276?rmvSB=true&nma=true&si=YosW5407s39MysXWUxCMD81mUbQ%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Tim on January 14, 2017, 08:31:13 AM
It's had a few mods to the doors...
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on January 14, 2017, 09:15:13 AM
Lets see.......according to the ad

Rear wheel drive!

New 11 gallon gas tank!

Leather interior!  (I saw one seat?)

Front scope!

Refinished headliner!

Sold right down the road from our man Dan, wonder if he bought this to go with Rusty?   ;D
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: 94touring on January 14, 2017, 09:22:09 AM
Lol I do not need any more projects!
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on January 14, 2017, 01:42:07 PM
Why would someone fit suicide doors to a Mini?
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on January 18, 2017, 08:51:21 AM
There's a pretty nice rally Mini featured over on BAT now.   It's on eBay with a Buy it Now of $34K

http://bringatrailer.com/2017/01/17/2nd-in-class-at-targa-newfoundland-1962-austin-mini-cooper/

(http://rover.ebay.com/rover/1/711-53200-19255-0/1?icep_ff3=2&pub=5574639392&toolid=10001&campid=5336656605&customid=1962-mini-classic-mini-mini-cooper-ebay&icep_item=252727900724&ipn=psmain&icep_vectorid=229466&kwid=902099&mtid=824&kw=lg)
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on January 18, 2017, 10:22:05 AM
I saw that.....did the other two on BaT sell yet?

Just checked, the Leyland 1000 is at $3800 with 5 hours to go, so we'll see where it finishes up around 3 this afternoon....

I noticed that really nice blue Cooper S at Mecum Jim posted did not sell at $34K....a buddy in Va was bidding on it, I guess it crossed his limit.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on January 18, 2017, 03:51:49 PM
Another Mini offered on a BAT auction:

[url]http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1974-leyland-mini-1000/[/url]

This one used to live in New Zealand and has a some very unusual rust.     Well, actually, it's regular old rust, but it is in an unusual place. 

My guess is that it will sell for $7500.


It just sold for $7,300 with a lot of bidding activity at the end.    Seems to be a very good place to sell. 
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on January 18, 2017, 04:24:52 PM
Did you see the wagon for sale in Seattle? $11,500 and a really nice woody wagon......I'll see if I can find the ad.

http://www.minimania.com/cars4sale/14159/1962_Austin_Countryman_Wagon_850cc (http://www.minimania.com/cars4sale/14159/1962_Austin_Countryman_Wagon_850cc)
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on January 19, 2017, 11:30:08 AM
BAT is featuring one of the limited edition ERA Mini Turbos, which is offered for under $30K.   

Not everyone's cup of tea, but a significant model in Mini history.

http://bringatrailer.com/2017/01/18/rare-era-turbo-1990-mini-in-texas
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on January 19, 2017, 12:19:01 PM
Wow, did you see how crowded that engine compartment is with the turbo and A/C? Yikes!  :-\

I tried to buy one of those out of Canada aboot 10 years ago but could not get it into the US due to the 25 year rule - I had a 27K car for just over $10 grand......
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on January 19, 2017, 01:01:03 PM
Wow, did you see how crowded that engine compartment is with the turbo and A/C? Yikes!  :-\

I tried to buy one of those out of Canada aboot 10 years ago but could not get it into the US due to the 25 year rule - I had a 27K car for just over $10 grand......
Yeah, the engine bay is a nightmare. But at least there is the simplicity of no computer/no fuel injection.

A car like this for $10K would have been a great deal and very tempting. 
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on January 19, 2017, 03:54:12 PM
The Canadian one didn't have A/C, and was left drive so it was a bit simpler......not much tho. It was bright red too!
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on January 19, 2017, 03:58:17 PM
Did you see the wagon for sale in Seattle? $11,500 and a really nice woody wagon......I'll see if I can find the ad.

[url]http://www.minimania.com/cars4sale/14159/1962_Austin_Countryman_Wagon_850cc[/url] ([url]http://www.minimania.com/cars4sale/14159/1962_Austin_Countryman_Wagon_850cc[/url])

That's a bargain.  If he put it back together he could ask a lot more.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on January 23, 2017, 11:27:09 AM
Not something you see everyday, a DIESEL powered Mini:

http://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/cto/5898106263.html
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on January 23, 2017, 11:41:02 AM
So they offered a diesel in the Metro? Makes sense that they would in Europe but I had never heard of it.....

I don't know why but these wheels look awful on that car - I've seen plenty of 13" wheels that look fine on a Mini (my car has them too) but for some reason these don't.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on January 23, 2017, 05:39:05 PM
They used a Peugeot 1.4 diesel in the later Metros, not very powerful but 50 plus mpg all day long.
Those wheels look like they are being used with wide spacers as the offset is not that wide, i guess that is why he is using massive mudflaps as well.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MPlayle on January 23, 2017, 09:04:39 PM
Could the wide stance be dictated by the front suspension?  If the whole setup from the diesel Metro was transferred, did it have a wider track then the Mini, thus requiring the rear to be spaced out to match?  (Kind of like many of the Honda motor transplants.)

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on January 23, 2017, 09:12:05 PM
Most of the Honda transplants use stock Mini suspension, so the track is standard, they may use disc brakes that use wheels with a wider offset and stance.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on January 25, 2017, 09:36:07 PM
Make your own?

A Mini mold:

http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sby/cto/5959918547.html

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MPlayle on January 26, 2017, 08:45:46 AM
That was also posted over on Mini Mania.  Over there, the seller has indicated it sold.

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on January 29, 2017, 04:03:12 PM
I'll see your Honda V-Tec and raise you a V-8!

Not on BaT, but interesting nonetheless......

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/V8-Mini-Not-Track-day-Hotrod-Cooper-Dragcar-Caterham-Kit-car-Road-legal-/132079528085?hash=item1ec08da895:g:DycAAOSwZQRYdyS7 (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/V8-Mini-Not-Track-day-Hotrod-Cooper-Dragcar-Caterham-Kit-car-Road-legal-/132079528085?hash=item1ec08da895:g:DycAAOSwZQRYdyS7)

(http://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/DycAAOSwZQRYdyS7/s-l1600.jpg)
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on January 30, 2017, 09:42:28 AM
That thing is wild!    I'm trying to understand the exhaust arrangement - looking at the engine it looks like there are headers going right up and out to an exit in the A-panel.  But I don't see that when I look at the car with the front clip on.    In fact I see dual exhausts in the rear just on either side of the backup and fog lights.   

Perhaps the side exit exhaust didn't pass muster at MOT time? 
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on January 30, 2017, 09:50:29 AM
or, it's a cutout for drag racing, then a pipe goes down each side to the back? Or we're seeing pics from different periods in it's construction? I dunno....I was confused also.

But I imagine it goes like stink (at least in a straight line), makes great noises and is loud as hell inside!

Reminds me of when my friend and I (at age 15-16) put a bored out 283 in a Ford Anglia......

I saw where Joltfreak is selling his V-8 Mini also, his is done differently, he has a front drive V-8 out of a Chevy SS mounted in the rear of his......similar idea to what I'm planning to do with the Ecoboost Mini, but I'm going the other way - smaller, lightweight engine making "enough" power
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on March 01, 2017, 01:44:06 PM
This nice B series Vtec Mini sold for $19,999 on BaT yesterday......

http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1972-austin-mini/ (http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1972-austin-mini/)

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And this Phil Wicks race Mini (driven by Mr. Wicks hisownself) may bring pretty close to the same money! Currently at $17K with 38 minutes to go in the auction.....

http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1967-austin-1275/ (http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1967-austin-1275/)

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Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: gr8kornholio on March 01, 2017, 01:45:53 PM
Hoping the end of the race mini is more exciting than the vtec.  Figured at the 19,999 it had topped out and I was right.  No last hours bidding on it at all. 
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on March 01, 2017, 02:09:58 PM
It is unfortunate the VTEC Mini had the Cyrano de Bergerac nose extension.    I think that put some people off.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on March 01, 2017, 02:11:35 PM
Even so, I was surprised to see it sell at this price.....

Reserve not met on the Wicks race car......at $17,750.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: gr8kornholio on March 01, 2017, 02:31:06 PM
On the vtec, I'm not convinced it was worth much more.  Maybe worth isn't the right word, but the old adage is "It's only worth what someone is willing to pay." 

I've shopped them for awhile, and they definitely top out.  Seen several similar builds to that one, even without the extended nose, a little above and below 20K.  The SUPER nice ones seem to languish in the 30s forever before being lowered below 30 and probably sell for even less.  35K is a lot for a toy rocket.

I think it's the car. Most people shopping for a classic mini aren't after neck snapping acceleration.  Who needs to accelerate if you don't have to slow down in the first place.  It's the joy of the drive.

Don't get me wrong, I'd love to have a beast vtec mini, but I think in general there is a very small market for them and people sink way too much money into building them.  Custom cars have horrible return on investment, especially if you pay someone else to do the work.   
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: gr8kornholio on March 01, 2017, 07:16:20 PM
http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1974-morris-mini-850-l/#comment-1414129

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Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on March 01, 2017, 07:18:14 PM
This is a nice Authi Mini, but being an 850 makes it pretty much a town only car.....33 hp doesn't get you much over 60 mph, and it will take a week to get there!   ;D
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on March 03, 2017, 08:34:48 AM
My WAG on that Spanish 850 on BAT is that it will be sold for $8,500. 

What do you guys think?
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on March 03, 2017, 09:33:22 AM
I think that's a realistic value, but I think the reserve will be higher than that......maybe $10K.

When I compare this car to the 81 for sale locally that has rust and a 998 for $10K, I'd rather have the rust free 850 for the same money.....
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: gr8kornholio on March 03, 2017, 10:12:28 AM
10K was about what I was thinking for the reserve.  See if it'll get there.  The fairly rusted green one from a month ago hit 7900 I believe.  Don't recal what motor it had. 
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: gr8kornholio on March 10, 2017, 07:39:06 PM
1963 Austin Mini Cooper Mk1  In Dallas!!!  Would love to check this out in person.  If the zipcode is accurate, this is really close to me.  GBtollway and NDtollway

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Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on March 10, 2017, 08:06:51 PM
Very interesting.  Looks like it's been in storage.   Austin-badged, but with a Morris grille. 

Do you have a link?
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on March 10, 2017, 08:56:41 PM
Here you go.....

http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1963-austin-mini-cooper-3/ (http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1963-austin-mini-cooper-3/)
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: gr8kornholio on March 10, 2017, 08:57:53 PM
So what makes this a Morris grille?  Educate me.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on March 10, 2017, 09:03:28 PM
Oh, and the Authi 850 brought $12374, more than I thought it would......
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on March 10, 2017, 10:33:58 PM
So what makes this a Morris grille?  Educate me.
The size and shape of the slats means it is a Morris Mark I Cooper grill which was used on the Cooper models, and not on any of the non-Cooper Minis.  Regular Morris Minis got a stamped grille, white on early cars and chrome on later ones.   

Austin Mini Coopers got a grille with thinner slats.  And many non-Cooper Austin Minis got a wavy grille -  you'll know it when you see it   
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: gr8kornholio on March 11, 2017, 09:17:06 AM
Yea, just googled mini MK1 grilles, and see the 3 distinctly different types.  So mine looks like this one, but what I've seen from the Australian cars is nothing seems to match convention. 
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MPlayle on March 11, 2017, 09:48:53 AM
I seem to recall reading on a different forum a post from folks in Australia that all Minis down there were branded as "Morris".

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: gr8kornholio on March 11, 2017, 10:16:50 AM
That's what I've read/heard too, but mine didn't come with the correct badges and can't find any designation in the VIN that indicates Morris.  One of these days I'll send my VIN to the heritage place and hope they can shed some light on it.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on March 11, 2017, 11:38:32 AM
Mark, for a regular Mk. I Mini VIN starts with A, it's an Austin, if with a M, it's a Morris.  At least that was BMC's practice for the  Longbridge and Cowley factories in the UK.  Not sure if they stuck to that with the CKD cars for other markets. 
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: gr8kornholio on March 17, 2017, 05:17:50 PM
Reserve not met.  Way to absentee of a seller.  Even one guy posted about his experience trying to call him.  Shady car with shady seller.  Not surprised at the outcome.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: gr8kornholio on March 18, 2017, 05:59:14 AM
There coming out of the wood work as they say.  Here's another one on BAT this morning.

http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1972-innocenti-mini/

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Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on March 19, 2017, 11:01:29 AM
Did you all see that 2006 MINI on BaT with 226K miles brought $9K!?!?!??!??!    :-\
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: gr8kornholio on March 19, 2017, 11:29:23 AM
Yea, but I think he'd mentioned somewhere near the end that it was equivalent to about half the cost of the modifications and rebuild cost.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on March 19, 2017, 02:16:18 PM
two hundred twenty six THOUSAND Miles.........
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on March 24, 2017, 10:18:39 PM
There's been some Mini action recently on BAT.

This Innocenti Mini Cooper sold on BAT for just $13K.  I think that was a bargain for a pretty rare Mini.   Kinda looked like the auction winner wasn't ready to have actually won it.   Oops!

http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1972-innocenti-mini/



This Van with windows from New Zealand reminds me of my old Morris Mini Traveller - same colors.  I bet this this will go for about $12K, maybe more.

http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1972-morris-mini-van
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Willie_B on March 25, 2017, 04:03:17 AM
The Morris mini van is my brothers. I built the roof rack. The sliding windows are a challenge during the summers down here to flow enough air to cool off. The roof vent does help though.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on March 25, 2017, 08:27:25 AM
Two brothers who are both into Minis and they both have Minis from New Zealand?   Wow.   Small world.   I wish my brother was into Minis instead of just motorcycles. 

By the way, I'm "LarryH" making comments on BAT.  Not sure why I used that name, but it was like 5 years ago and I sticking with it. 

I think BAT is a great place to sell interesting vehicles (so much better than eBay or one of the traditional car auctions)  but BAT seems to take a seller who is very engaged and responds to the various questions comments.  I've seen auctions fall apart because the seller didn't respond, or worse, seemed to take offense at comments. Looks like your brother is off to a good start and I wish him the best of luck with the auction. 
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: gr8kornholio on March 25, 2017, 10:46:47 AM
I saw that one last week while trolling craigslist adds.  Was gonna mention it to willie b since it was in Georgia.  That's funny that it's his brothers.  Mini world.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Willie_B on March 25, 2017, 12:19:30 PM
My brother got me interested in minis. It's all his fault. I did have a bugeye sprite back in the early 80's, it was a hoot to drive also.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: gr8kornholio on March 25, 2017, 03:47:28 PM
Did your brother import it from NZ himself?
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Willie_B on March 25, 2017, 04:18:44 PM
He bought his from Dion Jardine, DJ minis, in Florida. I imported mine myself.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on March 25, 2017, 04:53:31 PM
Based upon how much interest there has been in the Mini Van so far, I think there may be a lot of bidders and it may go for a healthy amount. 
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: gr8kornholio on March 26, 2017, 11:42:55 AM
He bought his from Dion Jardine, DJ minis, in Florida. I imported mine myself.

From NZ?  It's a little premature, but if.. well when I get my next mini I've really taking a liking to the Australian clubmans.  Doubt there are many of those in the states already.  So will most likely have to look into importing one.  Just a note for the future.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on March 28, 2017, 11:03:00 AM
Lots of continued interest (and bids) on the Mini Van with 3 days left...


And it's like Dave's Mini and Don's Mini had a kid:

A BRG Mini with a VTEC.

http://bringatrailer.com/2017/03/28/vtec-swapped-1963-austin-mini/
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: gr8kornholio on March 28, 2017, 11:49:48 AM
That vtec is one crazy potato head.  I'm gonna say a little pricey for the description and possible issues/unfinished looks.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on March 28, 2017, 04:58:20 PM
The Morris mini van is my brothers.

Is that a BRG Special Edition Miata in his garage?
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Willie_B on March 28, 2017, 09:02:41 PM
The Morris mini van is my brothers.

Is that a BRG Special Edition Miata in his garage?

I think so.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on March 28, 2017, 09:27:01 PM
The Morris mini van is my brothers.

Is that a BRG Special Edition Miata in his garage?

I think so.

Just thinking how similar that is to the situation I was in.  I owned a Mini Traveller in the same red and white colors as your brother's Mini Van, which I sold and bought a BRG Miata Special Edition.  I liked that car a lot, but I really missed owning a Mini.   
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on March 29, 2017, 08:20:16 AM
Based upon how much interest there has been in the Mini Van so far, I think there may be a lot of bidders and it may go for a healthy amount.

With two days left in the auction, it's at $9500 with a lot of active bidders - reflecting well on both the quality of the car as well as how engaged your brother is in providing information and responding to comments. So... I'm going to revise my $12K guesstimate and say this Mini will sell from $15K to $17K.  Maybe more.   I wish your brother good luck with the auction. 

Brad, will the sale of this car leave your brother Mini-less? 
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Willie_B on March 29, 2017, 10:25:12 AM
He will have no more minis after this one sells. He has the Miata for fun when the need arises.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on March 29, 2017, 11:14:50 AM
After like 38 years of continually owning at least one (sometimes more) classic Minis of one type or another, I sold my Mini Traveller and purchased a pristine 20+ year old BRG Miata as a sort of hobby/fun car replacement.   But as much as I loved the Miata, it only lasted 4 years with me as I felt I really needed to get back to owning a Mini again. 
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on March 29, 2017, 12:01:07 PM
And look how much more fun you're having with this one - now that you're using it and not just laving it in the garage!   77.gif

I had my 62 Cooper S from 68 to about 78, and didn't get another till 2014, but I'm glad I did as I really have fun with the little clown cars, I drive this green one almost every day.

An actively engaged seller like this seems to really boost the buyers interest, and hopefully the price too.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: gr8kornholio on March 29, 2017, 02:55:32 PM
An actively engaged seller like this seems to really boost the buyers interest, and hopefully the price too.

I'd agree, the quickest way to submarine your BaT auction as a seller is to be absent or stand-offish.  Really enjoy the ones where the seller is present and active.  Makes for way better comment conversation.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on March 31, 2017, 10:04:51 AM
An actively engaged seller like this seems to really boost the buyers interest, and hopefully the price too.

I'd agree, the quickest way to submarine your BaT auction as a seller is to be absent or stand-offish.  Really enjoy the ones where the seller is present and active.  Makes for way better comment conversation.
On the other hand, it looks like some potential buyers are really expecting Brad's brother to jump through hoops in the final hours of this week-long auction: there are requests for not only for cylinder compression tests, but also for pictures to verify the compression tests.   Plus now they want a bunch of videos to be made and to suddenly appear on BAT.   Geez. 
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Willie_B on March 31, 2017, 12:05:41 PM
In the walk around video you get a good look at the roof rack I built for him several years ago. He just resealed the wood so it looks sharp.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on March 31, 2017, 04:08:20 PM
The bidding on the Mini Van petered out at just under $11,000, so the "reserve not met" situation was not a surprise.   As I said earlier I expected it to go for $15,000 or more.   
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MPlayle on March 31, 2017, 04:54:13 PM
It is back up on Mini Mania classifieds with a price of $14500.

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on March 31, 2017, 06:14:44 PM
Kinda surprised by bidder MiniGuy's intensive last minute requests for a lot of additional detailed information about the car, followed by his not-so-intensive bidding.  It was clearer with each new bit of information that nobody could find any negatives or objections - the additional info just reinforced it is a great Mini. 

Of course I was not a bidder myself, so maybe some might think I shouldn't comment on that.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MPlayle on March 31, 2017, 06:40:44 PM
If the bidder MiniGuy is the same Michael Lewis that does the MiniGuy consignment website, then he was probably researching the car for a potential client/buyer in asking all of the questions and would likely try to do an "buy it now" type offer after the end of the auction if it did not sell and his buyer was in fact interested.

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on March 31, 2017, 06:51:51 PM
It is the same MiniGuy, and he started to annoy me with all the references to his own site thru out his comments.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on March 31, 2017, 06:57:55 PM
Yeah that's him. 

However, a more cynical person might possibly believe that all the comments and questions, and special requests, sprinkled liberally with near-constant references to his own website and Mini business, could have a more self-serving purpose of generating exposure and traffic to his website.   

I've noted he has bid on many Minis on BaT (over 17 of them), but his bids stop before he gets anywhere close to the actual value of the cars - a strategy that means he has yet to win a single auction there.

Again, I have never been a bidder in BaT, so I'm being a bit of an armchair quarterback.  But  I would file this under things that make you go Hmmmmmmm. 
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on March 31, 2017, 06:59:24 PM
 I was typing my response and missed reading Dave's comments before posting mine, but it looks like we are thinking the same thing. 
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on March 31, 2017, 07:27:39 PM
yeah....you nailed him.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on March 31, 2017, 07:41:38 PM
His bid win record is actually 0 for 20 if you include the 3 cars that weren't classic Minis which he has bid on -- all of which happen to be the type of cars that might appear alongside classic Minis on his website (Fiat Jolly, Austin America, and new MINI).
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MPlayle on March 31, 2017, 08:20:15 PM
I haven't looked at the BAT auctions to see the actual activity, but what you describe is much more to the "shameless self-promoting" than seriously pursuing any particular car.

If trying to collect information for a prospective client, I would think he would ask for all of the details in one request early on and then bid seriously if his client were truly interested and not bid at all if the interest were not serious.

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on March 31, 2017, 08:40:33 PM
Mplayle, didn't he sell your green van for you?
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on March 31, 2017, 08:45:10 PM
Being an actual bidder, albeit one with bids that upon closer examination don't approach the real value of the car being auctioned, and asking questions that seem serious, provides some cover from the outright appearance of "shameless self-promoting".

But...
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on April 01, 2017, 12:24:18 AM
He bought his from Dion Jardine, DJ minis, in Florida. I imported mine myself.


From NZ?  It's a little premature, but if.. well when I get my next mini I've really taking a liking to the Australian clubmans.  Doubt there are many of those in the states already.  So will most likely have to look into importing one.  Just a note for the future.


Here's a Clubman from Oz:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1975-Mini-Classic-Mini-AUSTIN-CLUBMAN-RHD-/192142579101?hash=item2cbc97159d:g:AtUAAOSwax5Y2rSs&vxp=mtr

It hasn't run for a while, but it's a rare Mini and pretty reasonable IMO with a Buy it Now of just $6450

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MPlayle on April 01, 2017, 08:45:28 AM
Dave,

Yes, I had MiniGuy broker the sale of my green Mini Van.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on April 01, 2017, 10:01:45 AM
He bought his from Dion Jardine, DJ minis, in Florida. I imported mine myself.


From NZ?  It's a little premature, but if.. well when I get my next mini I've really taking a liking to the Australian clubmans.  Doubt there are many of those in the states already.  So will most likely have to look into importing one.  Just a note for the future.


Here's a Clubman from Oz:

[url]http://www.ebay.com/itm/1975-Mini-Classic-Mini-AUSTIN-CLUBMAN-RHD-/192142579101?hash=item2cbc97159d:g:AtUAAOSwax5Y2rSs&vxp=mtr[/url]

It hasn't run for a while, but it's a rare Mini and pretty reasonable IMO with a Buy it Now of just $6450


Wow, lots of interesting different details on that one, like the third seat belt in the rear and those master cylinders.....and it's in your old town, St. Louis - just up the road!
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on April 01, 2017, 10:59:03 AM
Did you see the center dash?    Very strange looking.   Yeah, I don't need another Mini but I did fantasize about it.  And I could probably ask my brother who lives in St. Louis to go look at it.    But besides the unknowns about the body condition, there are the unknowns about the powertrain.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on April 01, 2017, 12:22:03 PM
I know someone who could rebuild the engine/trans for you  ;D

I also know someone who has a nice 1275 w/remote gearbox to replace the 998 that's in it......just needs to be built.

Of course then you'd want to add front disc brakes, new rubber springs, hi-los, etc, etc etc......there's really no end to these cars, is there?

I think the body looks pretty solid, so what I would do with it is get it running again and go from there. I might just get it safe to drive and leave it alone as it is.

Spot the differences - check out the recessed door handles.....scuttle around the wipers......boot lid around the lic plate....I think the radio is aftermarket, but that switch panel isn't, and it is unlike any I've even seen......seats look comfy.....
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: gr8kornholio on April 03, 2017, 07:46:44 AM
Sooo tempting to add an Aussie clubman to my Aussie mini collection, but I was out of room before the first one.  Definitely falls under the would if I hadn't already bought one.  Love the Aussie clubmans.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: gr8kornholio on April 03, 2017, 07:53:33 AM
On the MiniGuy topic, I always considered him a flipper, if he can't get it to make a profit he will stop bidding. He has seemed to be doing a lot of o yea, look at these from my site lately though.  So probably a little self promoting going on.  Hopefully the mini eventually sells and got some good exposure on there.   
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on April 04, 2017, 08:41:28 AM
Another Mini on BAT.    This is a circa 1979 Canadian Mini 1000 (big ugly bumpers removed) that is being auctioned as a 1971 Mini from Canada but with a 1275.  However, it appears to not have a 1275 at all -- looks like it has a 998.   Already it is bid up to $8K with no seller response at all.

http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1971-mini-mk-iii/

My crystal ball says the seller will be forced to admit he didn't know it didn't have a 1275 engine.   And didn't know it was re-VIN'd.   And yet I think this Mini will still sell for $11K or more (unless the auction is cancelled). 
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on April 04, 2017, 09:38:56 AM
My crystal ball says the seller will be forced to admit he didn't know it didn't have a 1275 engine.   And didn't know it was re-VIN'd.   And yet I think this Mini will still sell for $11K or more (unless the auction is cancelled).

Update:  The seller has now surfaced on BAT.   Actually, the 'seller' is someone who is helping the actual owner sell the car (I think I might have seen this situation on Craigslist before  :)  )  and the 'seller' says information about the car "is what was provided by the previous owner at sale".  So, is that two or three degrees of separation being established?

So, it is a Mini originally sold in Canada, that supposedly lived its life in California, which is now offered for sale in NY state with a Montana title.   Yup, that's clear.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: gr8kornholio on April 04, 2017, 05:11:21 PM
Quote

Here's a Clubman from Oz:

[url]http://www.ebay.com/itm/1975-Mini-Classic-Mini-AUSTIN-CLUBMAN-RHD-/192142579101?hash=item2cbc97159d:g:AtUAAOSwax5Y2rSs&vxp=mtr[/url]

It hasn't run for a while, but it's a rare Mini and pretty reasonable IMO with a Buy it Now of just $6450


Well, so much for my crazy plans I was contemplating.  The listing has ended.  Back to the original plan. 
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on April 04, 2017, 09:37:53 PM
My crystal ball says the seller will be forced to admit he didn't know it didn't have a 1275 engine.   And didn't know it was re-VIN'd.   

New photos have been added clearly showing an engine number for a 998 engine - not a 1275 as the auction claims.  A pretty big misrepresentation.   

Now that this as come to light and can be verified by the engine numbers, I am waiting for claims of ignorance by the seller. 
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on April 07, 2017, 09:28:59 AM
The auction for the Canadian Mini is drying up - little interest for the last couple of days not since it became clear the seller was either a liar or stupid regarding not knowing the actual engine size and details about the car.  They also messed up on listing the correct year the car is titled.   It feels sloppy all around.   

I've got a feeling it will end up reserve not met and the seller just wants this auction to disappear as soon as possible. 

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on April 07, 2017, 12:13:55 PM
That often happens in the middle of the week, with three days to go we'll see if comments pick up towards the end, but I think you may be right.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: gr8kornholio on April 07, 2017, 06:46:11 PM
For $49 I'm tempted to list mine.  Just for fun and to learn about it from all the experts.  And hey if it sells for the reserve I'll find another.   ;D
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on April 07, 2017, 07:58:05 PM
For $49 I'm tempted to list mine.  Just for fun and to learn about it from all the experts.  And hey if it sells for the reserve I'll find another.   ;D
I think anyone selling a car on BAT has got to be prepared for the very intense spotlight and inevitable criticism of imperfections of the car being auctioned. I thought Brad's brother put forth a  fantastic effort to be responsive to questions about his car, but for some crazy reason bidding on it never approached what it should have.  It's a real crapshoot. 
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on April 07, 2017, 09:11:28 PM
For $49 I'm tempted to list mine.  Just for fun and to learn about it from all the experts.  And hey if it sells for the reserve I'll find another.   ;D

What reserve would you put on it?
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: gr8kornholio on April 08, 2017, 09:15:11 AM
Probably $20K.  Of course, every time I drive it the thought of selling it fades quickly and I got my box of parts from minisport yesterday so all excited. 

Was mainly thinking of testing the waters to see potential value and get all the good and bad opinions about it. 

Was a little more serious while that Aussie Clubman was for sale on ebay, but it's gone now.   
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: jedduh01 on April 10, 2017, 03:21:24 PM
 If you missed this on BAT : 

http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1962-austin-mini-cooper-2/


Here's your second chance = Just takes a few more dollars to be your's!

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1962-Austin-Mini-Perfect-condition-great-deal-/222466459082?hash=item33cc08c5ca:g:jC4AAOSw03lY58n7&vxp=mtr


Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on April 10, 2017, 04:14:56 PM
The auction for the Canadian Mini is drying up - little interest for the last couple of days not since it became clear the seller was either a liar or stupid regarding not knowing the actual engine size and details about the car.  They also messed up on listing the correct year the car is titled.   It feels sloppy all around.   

I've got a feeling it will end up reserve not met and the seller just wants this auction to disappear as soon as possible.

Reserve not Met at $9100.    And plenty of examples of how not to sell a car on BAT in that single auction.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Willie_B on April 10, 2017, 05:16:38 PM
That would be about the right price for that car. Won't go that high again if relisted there.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on April 11, 2017, 11:08:21 AM
Seller indicates he's "willing to talk" to prospective buyers after the no sale.......I'll bet his reserve was $10K

Interesting comments on the Sterling SLi for sale - the P+A dealer I worked for in the later 80's-early 90's sold these, and they were truly hard for me to sell. We had early tan leather cars that the leather would turn green in the Ca sun, electrical problems that simply would not go away and trim bits that fell off, came unglued, chrome that flaked off etc etc. Even the Honda drivetrains weren't exactly fool proof.......when I had a customer indicate an interest - if I couldn't steer them towards an Audi, I would somewhat reluctantly go ahead, but I think I only sold a very few of them.

The same dealer also sold Range Rovers from their 87 intro, and they were a long way from reliable then too.

Jedduh, I've noticed a number of cars on BaT being bought by dealerships and resold later, like this one. I also have noticed how many cars are being relisted for sale by their new owners after only a short time after purchase on BaT......makes me wonder if they're just trying to flip the car or if it was a bad purchase they're tying to quickly offload onto someone else.....

I've been giving serious consideration to selling my old Jag on there, but I don't know......of course there have been plenty of stories of people absolutely thrilled with their purchase on BaT too. Have you all been reading the story of the 23y/o who bought a Volvo 122 wagon and is driving it from New Jersey to Tijuana to eat a salad?
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on April 11, 2017, 12:11:05 PM
That would be about the right price for that car. Won't go that high again if relisted there.

Yeah, but I think there are kind of two worlds of Mini prices.  1) the real world, and 2) the boutique world

And it was in the boutique world that the Canadian Mini originated.  The seller of the Canadian Mini apparently purchased it from a dealer who specializes in Porsches, and the car was likely bought it on a impulse buy, paying a lot more than the real world market value of the car, while remaining clueless as to what he purchased.

Like this "1967" Mini for $28K   https://www.hemmings.com/classifieds/dealer/austin/mini/1901659.html

or this Mini tin wagon estate for $22K  https://www.hemmings.com/classifieds/dealer/austin/mini/1744001.html 



Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: gr8kornholio on April 11, 2017, 12:26:52 PM
Bruce, I fully agree on the pricing.  Some people are so far off, but if someone is willing to give it then why not ask.

BaT is exploding and growing.  Problem with the popularity comes the scammers.  Hopefully the main BaT core crowd will keep weeding out the frivolous sellers with the intense questioning of the sellers on the auctions.  Possibly running off any future scams. 
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on April 12, 2017, 12:00:43 AM
I agree that Canadian Mini auction was a joke. The seller and his rep either had not got a clue, were very evasive and did not answer simple questions and you could tell it was going to end up a no sale. It is a shame because it seems like a solid Mini that needs a few items sorting. My guess is a long way from his reserve at $9100.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on April 13, 2017, 02:32:02 PM
A new Mini has surfaced on BAT.  It's a Mk. I Mini with a 1275.   A little rough in some areas (the floor are solid but very beat up like somebody used them to practice hitting things with a sledgehammer), but generally it's a nice-looking car. 

My guess is that it will sell for about $14K     

http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1962-austin-mini-cooper-3/
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: gr8kornholio on April 13, 2017, 05:13:24 PM
I'm going with the latest trend and RNM.  Considering the brief appearance by the seller and not addressing anything from the comments except for your statement of why all minis are so scrutinized. 

Looks like another highly miss-represented listing again with a hodgepodge of bits and pieces from several years and inaccurate numbers and paperwork.  Shame, cause from the outside it looks fabulous. 
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on April 13, 2017, 05:18:51 PM
Now that's a nice looking car, I agree it should bring good money.....especially if the seller is a little more involved than the last one.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on April 13, 2017, 06:40:11 PM
Yeah Mark, I'm going to walk back my guess of $14K.   Especially since it turns out it doesn't have disc brakes and, as you point out, the seller is mostly AWOL so far.   I think bidding will go to perhaps to $11K and it will be reserve not met at that price point.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on April 13, 2017, 09:54:52 PM
 I just looked up the seller of this gray Mini and it's the same seller who last year sold that nonrunning, dented, but original Cooper S barn find on BAT for an absolutely stupefying $55,000. 

He obviously made a killing on that car and is probably looking to make a lot of money on this one, but this car is just not going to bring the crazy bidders.  Therefore I am almost certain it will be reserve not met. 
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on April 14, 2017, 09:55:19 AM
Here's one on Craigslist.....I thought all Innocentis had the full dash?

https://sacramento.craigslist.org/cto/6085919419.html (https://sacramento.craigslist.org/cto/6085919419.html)

(https://images.craigslist.org/00v0v_jjCgiTVFaKh_600x450.jpg)

(https://images.craigslist.org/00303_6ERNTPzO6MK_600x450.jpg)
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on April 14, 2017, 10:28:50 AM
No, the dashes on the earlier and plainer cars were more like the British ones. Except with Italian Veglia gauges.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MPlayle on April 14, 2017, 10:33:22 AM
Most of the 998 Innos (badged as "1001") had the center three gauge cluster as shown on that one.

As far as I can remember (without digging out my Mini books), it was the 1275 versions that had the 5 or 6 gauge full dash arrangements.  I think the Authi 1275's had just the 5 gauge dash.

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on April 15, 2017, 02:43:42 PM
The natives are restless!   Among other issues, the gray Mk. I Mini currently on BAT is getting a lot of pushback about it not having a true VIN plate and relying on the FE body number as the car's ID on it's title.   This has apparently gotten under the skin of some commenters who are effectively asking BAT to call the auction off.   

The seller is keeping mostly silent.  Four days left.   Get your popcorn out...
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: gr8kornholio on April 18, 2017, 08:05:35 AM
Just saw this on BaT.  Bruce, isn't this the one that parked next to us at Cars and Coffee the last time all three of us were there?  It's in Plano.

http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1985-honda-city-turbo-ii/
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on April 18, 2017, 08:41:42 AM
No, what was parked near us was a Suzuki Alto kei car.  I've never seen a Honda City in person, but I think it is bigger than kei size.   There was one version of this Honday City that came with a folding Honda mini bike in the back for the final part of your commute! 
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: gr8kornholio on April 18, 2017, 09:26:58 AM
Ok, wasn't sure, but now that you mention it this does look different.  Just crazy coincidence about plano.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on April 19, 2017, 04:07:11 PM
Well, about 1 hour left on the BAT Mini auction.    It hasn't made it to $8500 yet and the comments are generally negative with a somewhat standoffish seller, so I'm really thinking it will be reserve not met.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on April 19, 2017, 05:11:01 PM
Did not make reserve, as expected.

I tired to be positive in my last posts...
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on April 19, 2017, 05:12:52 PM
Didn't even crack $10K.   

I put a lot of that on the shoulders of the seller.   He wasn't antagonistic, but he was wasn't enthusiastic either. 
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on April 21, 2017, 09:55:49 PM
Another Mini on BAT.   Unlike the recent Minis that were Reserve Not Met, this one is No Reserve, so it will be sold. 

Looks to be pretty nice and sorted.  It's a German market 1980 Mini that's had a 1275 installed along with Cooper S discs. 

http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1980-mini-mini-special-mkii/

My guess is this will sell for $14K or so.  Maybe more.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: gr8kornholio on April 22, 2017, 04:22:50 PM
Random...  A comment of mine on the M3C5 mashup bmw 325i made the comments of note for yesterday!! 

http://bringatrailer.com/2017/04/21/m3c5-vette-mashup-1994-bmw-325i/


M3/C5 Vette Mashup: 1994 BMW 325i

ďModern day hotrod/muscle car. Big engine, small capable chassis. Perfect! Good thing I already spent my money on my mini. Love the color combo.

For the purists, get over it, itís hotrodding. Been going on for decades and will continue forever. Besides, it was a 325i, how many were produced? Not to mention, this would probably smoke the doors off a much higher priced M3, with 3 passengers along for the fun.

They are CARS!!! Stop stuffing them in bubbles for your ROI and drive theÖĒ
15 likes  gr8kornholio commented on M3/C5 Vette Mashup: 1994 BMW 325i
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on April 22, 2017, 04:55:24 PM
Congrats on having your comment noted!  They must get hundreds, or maybe even thousands a day.   I like what you said too!!
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: gr8kornholio on April 22, 2017, 05:43:11 PM
Thanks Bruce.  77.gif
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on April 26, 2017, 12:15:51 PM
New Mini over on BAT.  This one is an authentic Oz-built 1968 Morris Cooper S Mk. I 1275.   Still a wet car. 

Barring any unforeseen drama (and I don't think there will be any - the car looks to be without issues other than normal wear), I think this will go up to $23K or so.  Maybe higher.   

http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1968-morris-mini-cooper-s/
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: gr8kornholio on April 26, 2017, 03:14:16 PM
It's my upgraded twin!!   4.gif
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on April 26, 2017, 06:48:26 PM
Did you see the yellow Dart too?   4.gif
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on April 28, 2017, 04:28:24 PM
Another Mini on BAT.   Unlike the recent Minis that were Reserve Not Met, this one is No Reserve, so it will be sold. 

Looks to be pretty nice and sorted.  It's a German market 1980 Mini that's had a 1275 installed along with Cooper S discs. 

[url]http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1980-mini-mini-special-mkii/[/url]

My guess is this will sell for $14K or so.  Maybe more.


Lot's of last minute bidding on this sharp Mini.  Sold for $16,500. 
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on April 28, 2017, 04:44:28 PM
I think that was a fair deal for all involved, I invited him to join our little community here, I hope that's not against the BaT rules and that we see some new members out of the little plug.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on April 28, 2017, 05:35:28 PM
Here's a classic Mini for sale near Dallas.   It comes with a 'story' but seems nice enough.

https://dallas.craigslist.org/sdf/cto/6099893863.html
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on April 28, 2017, 05:38:34 PM
I think that was a fair deal for all involved, I invited him to join our little community here, I hope that's not against the BaT rules and that we see some new members out of the little plug.

I think it's great idea.  Not like with MiniGuy who was self-promoting for profit in his comments a little while ago.  (and I notice he's kept his record not wining a BAT auction by bidding on a couple more classic Minis there  but dropping out way, way early)
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on April 28, 2017, 05:41:36 PM
Here's a classic Mini for sale near Dallas.   It comes with a 'story' but seems nice enough.

https://dallas.craigslist.org/sdf/cto/6099893863.html

1990 MPI?????

I don't think so Tim.......still a great looking car, especially if you can get it registered.

Still, a left drive MPi has to be a rare bird....in any country!
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MPlayle on April 28, 2017, 06:30:36 PM
Complete with air-bag steering wheel and headlight leveling switch.

Still, a nice 1999 Mini-40 at that price.

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on April 28, 2017, 08:50:05 PM
Still not technically legal, so there is always the theorical possibility of having it seized and crushed.  Plus, I still wonder how these re-vin cars will be viewed in the future.    Assuming at some point in the future these will be revered as Mk. I Minis are today.  Will it 'count' as a Mini 40 if it's pretending to be a 1990 and that's what the title says?    Or will real Mini 40 models (and other special editions) that have the correct provenance be the only ones that have value?
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MPlayle on April 28, 2017, 09:03:13 PM
Bruce,

All valid points.  Hopefully we'll be around to see what some of the answers turn out to be.



Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on April 28, 2017, 09:47:29 PM
Well, if they don't bring all the money - there'll be a nice MPi for a more affordable price!  77.gif
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on April 29, 2017, 08:29:07 AM
Yeah good point.  We are not buying our Minis as investments.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MPlayle on April 29, 2017, 08:30:22 AM
The only issue I have with the fuel injected Minis is they are difficult to diagnose fuel & ignition problems.  They are not OBD-I or OBD-II, and the reader for them is in limited supply.  Also, the various sensors and ECUs are mostly NLA.  There was only one place in the UK able to service the ECUs when I converted the Tahiti Blue Mini to carb.  (The MAP sensor is built into the ECU.)

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on April 29, 2017, 09:44:52 AM
Well, you would know Michael after dealing with your SPi.....like most FI systems, either they work perfectly or not at all!
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on May 03, 2017, 04:58:00 PM
New Mini over on BAT.  This one is an authentic Oz-built 1968 Morris Cooper S Mk. I 1275.   Still a wet car. 

Barring any unforeseen drama (and I don't think there will be any - the car looks to be without issues other than normal wear), I think this will go up to $23K or so.  Maybe higher.   

[url]http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1968-morris-mini-cooper-s/[/url]


Reserve Not Met at $27K.     I wonder what the Seller thinks it is worth.   He seemed just a little umm... selective in what photos he'd show, and which comments to respond to during the auction (kinda missed disclosing the huge floor dent until pressed).  And he never did talk about the rust issue in the driver's floor board.   
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: gr8kornholio on May 03, 2017, 08:13:41 PM
I'm thinking his reserve was probably based off the previous mini cooper s cars that sold.  Only problem was his wasn't "original" anymore.  Been painted, added cheep flares, and probably the worse was the original wheels which seem impossible to find.  The current collector trend is stupid money, but it has to be all original. like period.  Of course I'm over here like  8.gif  50.gif whatever, I'm driving mine  71.gif
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on May 11, 2017, 08:09:30 PM
BAT has two 1960s Minis at auction now:

First is an authentic Mk. II Cooper S.     I think this will go for somewhere around $25K but IMO it could be higher if it had no black wheel arches and Cooper S wheels.

http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1969-morris-mk2-mini-cooper/

Then they have a Mini Traveller with wood.   My guesstimate for this Mini is about $22K in an unusual color with reverse Cooper S steel wheels.   Maybe more but it's still got drum brakes which will hurt it a little I think (what? did they run out of money when restoring the car?).   

http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1962-morris-morris-minor-traveler/

So much depends on responsive and knowledgeable sellers on BAT.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MPlayle on May 11, 2017, 08:26:00 PM
The color on the Traveler may be one of those Australia or New Zealand specific colors not on the usual UK market cars.

At least it has twin leading shoe front drums versus the singles.

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on May 11, 2017, 08:29:22 PM
The color on the Traveler may be one of those Australia or New Zealand specific colors not on the usual UK market cars.

At least it has twin leading shoe front drums versus the singles.
I think that is the exact color Mark was considering painting his Mini from Oz.   I'm sure he'll jump in and confirm or deny.


About that Mk. II Cooper S on BAT, I first looked at the photos on my phone, but now that I've seen them on my laptop, I'm not so sure about that car getting into the $20s.   Looks like some ham-fisted bodywork on the sills if I'm seeing things correctly. 
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: gr8kornholio on May 11, 2017, 09:46:51 PM
It states that it was restored in New Zealand.  Bruce that color is more yellow than fiesta yellow, which is actually more green.  I like them both, but they both seem to have some "well why'd you do that on them"  We shall see.

It is funny reading about "restorations" on cars for sale on BaT.  The Alfa GTV, which I really love the shape of, states this in the description "The bare-metal repaint carried out in 2015 reportedly used little filler," followed at the end of the paragraph by "Exterior flaws are listed as minor bubbling on the left rocker panel and some surface rust around the battery tray area."

How can you do a bare metal repaint 2 years ago and already have bubbling on a rocker panel and rust in the battery tray?  Obviously you didn't take the entire car to bare metal, or your paint shop SUCKS!  I don't get it.

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on May 11, 2017, 11:43:33 PM
The Woody on BAT is running a 1275 not sure why they did not use discs on the build. The MK II Cooper is not an S just a standard Cooper with a 1380 in it. Both cars are decent but I do not think they are the big money cars you normally see on BAT but who knows i have seen basic stuff do silly money on there.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on May 12, 2017, 08:53:40 AM
"Exterior flaws are listed as minor bubbling on the left rocker panel and some surface rust around the battery tray area."
How can you do a bare metal repaint 2 years ago and already have bubbling on a rocker panel and rust in the battery tray?  Obviously you didn't take the entire car to bare metal, or your paint shop SUCKS!  I don't get it.

I think the latter....poor prep work. I know Bruce's Emma is needing a little attention already and she had a full bare bones respray, and Don's Pup had a few bubbles showing up only a year or so after he got it, and it also was a full bare metal repaint.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: 94touring on May 12, 2017, 10:53:26 AM
Usually lack of an epoxy sealer will let moisture penetrate the metal.  However there are times it comes from the back of unprotected areas.  Commonly found between early type A panels and door bottoms.  A proper sealer can technically be sprayed over minor rust and the rust won't spread.  Once it gets moisture then you got problems.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on May 12, 2017, 12:56:11 PM
The MK II Cooper is not an S just a standard Cooper with a 1380 in it.

I missed that it wasn't a real S.  Probably should rely on reading better, looking more critically, and using my laptop rather than my phone.   :-[

I am revising my wildassguesstimate for the Mk. II to $14K
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on May 14, 2017, 07:49:30 PM
Looks like MiniGuy has really upped his game, he's high bidder on both these cars currently on BaT......the wagon at almost $11K and the MkII at almost $14K
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on May 14, 2017, 07:58:20 PM
Time will tell...
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on May 16, 2017, 09:59:29 AM
A new Mini offering on BaT, this time a factory "Retro" Mini!  I like it!

http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1990-mini-studio-2-factory-development-car/ (http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1990-mini-studio-2-factory-development-car/)

In the article they mention the top was black at one point, I think they should have painted it burgundy to pick up on the interior theme.

(http://13252-presscdn-0-94.pagely.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/591a4600d5dd3_DSCN1012-620x417.jpg)

(http://13252-presscdn-0-94.pagely.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/DSCN0979-2-620x465.jpg)
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: gr8kornholio on May 16, 2017, 10:24:29 AM
Is it just me, or does the door and the shell up to the front seem appear  to be a different shade of white?  I thought at first it was shadows, but every picture seems to show it.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on May 17, 2017, 12:25:43 PM
Not sure......

This one's for sale on Ebay UK - £40,000!  $52,00 in American.......but it does look brandy new. Left drive too......

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Morris-Mini-Cooper-S-/201916904207?hash=item2f032f730f:g:C1oAAOSwKytZDMd7 (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Morris-Mini-Cooper-S-/201916904207?hash=item2f032f730f:g:C1oAAOSwKytZDMd7)

(http://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/C1oAAOSwKytZDMd7/s-l1600.jpg)
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Willie_B on May 17, 2017, 01:43:59 PM
Not sure......

This one's for sale on Ebay UK - £40,000!  $52,00 in American.......but it does look brandy new. Left drive too......

[url]http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Morris-Mini-Cooper-S-/201916904207?hash=item2f032f730f:g:C1oAAOSwKytZDMd7[/url] ([url]http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Morris-Mini-Cooper-S-/201916904207?hash=item2f032f730f:g:C1oAAOSwKytZDMd7[/url])

([url]http://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/C1oAAOSwKytZDMd7/s-l1600.jpg[/url])


At this price most folks would be afraid to ever even drive it.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on May 17, 2017, 07:08:41 PM
Well, the woody brought $17,000 and the MkII $13,750....pretty much what Bruce predicted.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on May 20, 2017, 10:44:58 AM
Both of the doors on the white Mini have been repaired and painted due to rust issues with only 40k miles on it. They just missed the mark with this "design" glad it did not go into production. They should have used a lot more of the MK I stuff so people could relate to it and toned down the seats a little. It sold in the UK a couple of years ago but imo it would do better in Japan.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on May 24, 2017, 02:31:13 PM
New old Mini on BAT.   Looks to be a mostly intact Austin Mini 850 Deluxe Mk. I (although BAT lists it as a Super Deluxe). 

http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1962-austin-austin-mini-850-mk1-super-deluxe/

My WAG is it will go for somewhere around $11K.    Could be more if somebody in the UK wants to buy it. 
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on May 24, 2017, 03:31:49 PM
Plain-jane little Mini but it looks pretty nice. I would want a hands-on or eyes-on inspection for rust and body filler on this one......it might be fine, but I would want to know.

I have a local friend who's getting ready to list his 1999 MPI VTEC on BaT. It's an extremely nice example and he has it well sorted, even to the A/C. He's running a D series engine too.....I'll really be interested to see where it winds up - he's hoping for $20K or better.......

That white development car brought $12,850....does it seem like prices have come down a bit lately on Minis?
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MPlayle on May 24, 2017, 06:51:23 PM
Dave,

Is this your friend's Mini?

http://www.minimania.com/cars4sale/14370/1978_Mini_Cooper_13i_Sedan_vTec (http://www.minimania.com/cars4sale/14370/1978_Mini_Cooper_13i_Sedan_vTec)

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on May 24, 2017, 07:38:45 PM
Yep, that's the car......it's beautiful in person.....funny.....1978......ad just went up today looks like.

I guess that's no different than my "72" Racing Green which is really an '89.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MPlayle on May 24, 2017, 08:10:27 PM
Right now, I would be tempted to get something like Kel's Mini if it were more reliable than my 2016 MINI Clubman.  My Clubman is back in the shop with another "Check Engine Light" issue.  I still don't have even 12K miles on it.  I should hear from the dealership tomorrow as to what the "diagnosis" may be.

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on May 24, 2017, 08:11:06 PM
From the MiniMania ad..... think the only issues he ever mentioned were trying to get the A/C sorted out (which he did) and trying to get an exhaust that didn't sound too "ricey", which he also did.

(http://www.minimania.com/images_temp/6304001003C8BCEA1-CB1B-B61F-FE30AF90BBCE572E.jpg)

(http://www.minimania.com/Cars/3C912AFB-CD9B-28C0-78DA1806A9BD87E3.jpg)


The Grand Touring Vtec Mini"
$24,000 OBO
Contact me Via Email or text. NO SPAMMERS!

I have owned this car for 12 years now and was told that I was the second owner. The car was purchased with 21,000 miles (yes that is correct). I drove it for 13k and decided to do a sohc Vtec swap. I have around 14k since the vtec conversion and it has been the most fun/reliable mini that I have owned in 18 years. It cruises at 70mph at around 3250rpm and does it with zero issues. I try to drive this car as much as possible (weather permissible), but due to this it does have some minor rock chips and scuffs. I have never driven it in snow, salted roads, or rain. It has had some body panels touched up before I bought it but no issues have shown up from it. The panels themselves are hard to to distinguish, definitely not a jo smo paint job.
I love this car and have babied it, but time to move on to a new toy.
Here is a link to a pile of photos and a list of everything done.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/longlivekel/albums/72157684134603616

All of the following has occurred within the last 14,000 miles (first aftermarket speedometer died at 12,000 miles)
Engine:
D16z6 SOHC vtec Engine block and head rebuild with all new honda seals (seals purchased from honda)
Bored the engine 0.25 and purchased 4 new pistons and ring set from honda
New water pump
New Belts
New Exedy clutch kit
New Spal Electric fan
New Fail safe thermostat
New Cap, rotor, wires
All new hoses
All new custom 2Ē exhaust
New motor mounts


Transmission-
Transmission teardown and inspection for synchro wear
Changed final gear ratio from 4.25 (Civic Si) to 3.722 (civic hx). This made the first and second gear more useable for street use and reduced the screaming rpm at highway use (around 3250rpm at 70mph)
New honda transmission fluid
New brake master and slave
Minitec chromoly axles with cv joints

Brakes:
Redline Racing Blue Dot 4 fluid
Minisport 8.4Ē vented brake kit with billet calipers and slotted rotors
Goodridge braided rear and front brake hoses
New rear drum shoes and wheel cylinders
New Goodridge braided lines from bias to master cylinder

Suspension:
New Adjustable caster camber kit for the front
Adjustable ride height trumpets front and rear
Kyb shocks
Front suspension poly bushings
Sracer Rear bump stop kit
(1 year old) Yokohama A539 Tires

HVac
Custom Vintage air install for heater and air condition
Refurbished honda civic a/c compressor
All new fittings to fit the heating and cooling setup

Interior Acoustics:
Sound Deadened the floor a and trunk.



Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MPlayle on May 24, 2017, 08:19:24 PM
The pictures in the flickr album show an interesting "mod" to the exhaust where it enters the final muffler.

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on May 24, 2017, 08:21:11 PM
Yes I saw that, like I said he experimented quite a bit to get a good sound and it has a nice deep growl, in fact it doesn't sound anything like a Honda!
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on May 24, 2017, 08:21:42 PM
it looks like a very nice and  well-sorted Mini. 

So, he's gonna try MiniMania first and then list it on BAT if that doesn't work?

There will certainly be pushback on the re-VIN aspect on BAT I think.  But that would die down if the rest of the car does not disappoint.  I can already hear the California comments complaining about it not being able to pass smog testing...   
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on May 24, 2017, 08:24:14 PM
Yeah, no cat converter....but there are ton's of Vtec Minis in Ca, wonder how they got them registered?

There are a few dings that I think a Doctor Dent guy could easily remedy - I would have done that before I put it up for sale. I think he's going to list it concurrently on BaT.

Don talks to him all the time, I keep telling him to go drive it so he can see if that's the diff ratio he wants for his Pup. 3200 @ 70 mph would sure be an improvement over his now, which is closer to 4K.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on May 25, 2017, 11:16:05 AM
Interesting development - BaT turned down Kel's Vtec Mini for auction on their site saying it was too "niche" and that his reserve was too high, and should be more like $14K.

Too niche? 

I'm floored that they've gotten picky like this......
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on May 25, 2017, 12:59:02 PM
Really?!  This is the same site now featuring a 1990 Chevy van with 180K miles and a home built interior?

http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1990-chevrolet-g20-van/
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: gr8kornholio on May 25, 2017, 02:13:59 PM
So do websites "Jump the Shark" like TV shows?
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on May 25, 2017, 04:01:13 PM
So do websites "Jump the Shark" like TV shows?

Ha!  I'd say they do when they get too big for their own britches.   

Too niche? 

I get that they don't want a lot of auctions to end up as RNM because that would hurt their reputation as a viable auction site, but we all know the potential market for a VTEC Mini like that one is a lot greater than the potential market of enthusiasts looking for a time-capsule Mini 850 like they currently offer (no slight to that particular car intended).   

Of course price factors in as it must.   Personally, I think $24K for that car is too high.  It will sit on MM's site for 6-9 months or more and then the price will have to drop more like all the other dreamer Mini prices.  But BAT is way, way off at suggesting $14K too.   The sweet spot is probably $19K or so IMO. (and, as we all know, the eventual selling price doesn't really matter too much compared to how much someone would have to spend to recreate a particular car)

I wonder if BAT was pissed the Mini was going to be listed concurrently on MiniMania's classifieds at the same time?   If I was BAT, I'd demand exclusivity - certainly during the run of the auction.   And the Internet never forgets anything, so if the intention is to put it on BAT, I think it's a mistake to offer the car for sale elsewhere first on the Interwebs to test the waters, and make the asking price known, before putting it on a premier sales venue like BAT. 

If I was going to sell a car (thinking MiniDave and a certain feline car), I would observe complete radio silence about the car, photos, and details until the big coming out party on BAT, (after first rectifying any known flaws and shortcomings) and having a professional photographer (I think you might know one) work his magic. 


Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on May 26, 2017, 09:53:18 PM
Well, all of a sudden now the car goes up on BaT for auction on Monday.....I have no idea what the heck is going on....
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on May 27, 2017, 07:17:19 AM
Is he pulling the MM ad? 
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on May 27, 2017, 07:30:44 AM
I dunno, but I don't think that's a factor....I've seen other auctions where the car was mentioned as being advertised locally..I'll see Don this am and see what he knows. Weird.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on May 29, 2017, 09:45:20 AM
So, Kel's car turned up on Ebay, not BaT.......

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1978-Mini-Classic-Mini-Cooper-S-/222525487578 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/1978-Mini-Classic-Mini-Cooper-S-/222525487578)

(http://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/nBIAAOSwtGlZJhYi/s-l1600.jpg)
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on May 29, 2017, 09:52:54 AM
Huge difference between the two.

I wish him good luck.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on May 29, 2017, 06:50:28 PM
Another Mini on BaT, this time one that will be near and dear to gr8cornholio as it's an Aussie built (supposed) Cooper S.

http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1967-morris-mini-cooper-3/ (http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1967-morris-mini-cooper-3/)

(http://13252-presscdn-0-94.pagely.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/DSC03703-940x625.jpg)

They recently were advertising for copy writers, but I have to wonder if they hired a 12 year old who knows nothing about cars, based on a few of the things I've read in the posts lately, like this.

An oil leak has recently been remedied by replacement of the oil pan gasket.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on May 29, 2017, 09:59:13 PM
Local Mini Clubman on Craigslist......at $15K I'd have to look seriously at Kel's Vtec......

(https://images.craigslist.org/00Y0Y_5hXthdecjkm_1200x900.jpg)

https://kansascity.craigslist.org/cto/6153492291.html (https://kansascity.craigslist.org/cto/6153492291.html)
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: gr8kornholio on May 30, 2017, 12:00:02 PM
Pretty sweet, If I hadn't have already bought mine, I'd been all over this.  Would look really cool next to Bruce's car too. 
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on May 30, 2017, 04:43:10 PM
Local Mini Clubman on Craigslist......at $15K I'd have to look seriously at Kel's Vtec......

That's a good-looking Clubman (but I might be biased on the color choices   ;D  ).

I don't necessarily  think $15K is unreasonable if it's a solid car.    Isn't your friend hoping from something in the low to mid 20s for his Mini?
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on May 31, 2017, 03:52:42 PM
New old Mini on BAT.   Looks to be a mostly intact Austin Mini 850 Deluxe Mk. I (although BAT lists it as a Super Deluxe). 

[url]http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1962-austin-austin-mini-850-mk1-super-deluxe/[/url]

My WAG is it will go for somewhere around $11K.    Could be more if somebody in the UK wants to buy it.


Lots of last-minute bidding and it sold for $15,500.   No word yet where it will live now.    Pretty good price for that car I think.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on May 31, 2017, 03:59:30 PM
Listed on Craigslist near me, a Mini Van for $7650.  Some assembly required.

https://dallas.craigslist.org/dal/cto/6142761291.html

(https://images.craigslist.org/00F0F_gTs3kIt0NkB_1200x900.jpg)

"Classic MINI panel Van - A rare opportunity to own one of the classic MINI variants that is practically unknown and non existant in the US. The panel van was used by utilities and service companies to carry items for service in the UK and this vehicle was popular and used for service there. The van has original dark blue paint on part of the body and primer in the areas where the metal work has been done. It is clean now and needs NO rust repair at all. It is a very clean body and needs very little work to make it ready for paint. This van was imported from England several years ago and has undergone a major restoration, which is partially complete. The hard part of the restoration has already been done and now the van is ready for the rest of the work to be completed. The van has a 1275 engine (biggest MINI engine) and runs and can be driven. The metal work on the body has been completed at a professional shop and is ready for final body and paint work. Almost all of the parts needed to complete are included, only a few parts need to be purchased.

WHAT HAS ALREADY BEEN DONE

1275 engine has had the cylinder head updated with new valve seals and gaskets
4 speed manual Transmission is the latest rod change type, the most reliable and newest version
engine bay has been cleaned and prepared
Metal Work is all done and body is ready for final body and paint work - NO RUST REPAIR NEEDED!!!!!

What still needs to be done

Body and paint work
Trim, bumpers, all installed
Seat Covers and interior work done
Windows and tracks
Door gaskets, etc.

Any other work depends on your specification. These vans were fairly simple and had few frills, but depending on customer desires, the sky is the limit on restoration.


We have an extensive classic car collection and are selling this van because we simply have too many projects and can't get all of them finished. The van is in exceptional condition for the age and was hand picked by a careful buyer in the UK after looking at many others, this one was in the best condtion available. It has been stored in my dry warehouse in Texas for almost 10 years. You will not find one in better original condition anywhere at this point. We have been restoring our own vehicle collection for many years and can finish this van for you with paint and interior and trim, etc. if you would like. The price we are offering the van for is as it is now, but we can finish it for you at additional cost. A rare chance to own a fine example icon of one of the most interesting automobiles in history. Offered at $7,650 finished price about $15,000 and up, depending on specification."
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on June 02, 2017, 01:23:31 PM
I went back to that surf blue Mini 850 on BAT to see if the buyer indicated where the car was going to live now.  No word.   

But shocked to see that MiniGuy put up another self-advertisement thinly disguised as a comment.  Actually, not shocked.   He bid up to $7,350 on a car that sold for $15,500.  Pattern continues.   
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on June 02, 2017, 01:38:21 PM
Local Mini Clubman on Craigslist......at $15K I'd have to look seriously at Kel's Vtec......


That's a good-looking Clubman (but I might be biased on the color choices   ;D  ).

I don't necessarily  think $15K is unreasonable if it's a solid car.    Isn't your friend hoping from something in the low to mid 20s for his Mini?


Kel's Mini is up to $17K with 2 days left to go, I don't know what his reserve is but he was hoping for $24K but I think anything much over $20K would buy it.....there is an unsold 75 Mini on Ebay with a Buy it Now of $28,500.....ridiculous.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1975-Mini-Classic-Mini-/332248142402?hash=item4d5b885242:g:2PgAAOSwlMFZMOA7&vxp=mtr (http://www.ebay.com/itm/1975-Mini-Classic-Mini-/332248142402?hash=item4d5b885242:g:2PgAAOSwlMFZMOA7&vxp=mtr)
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MPlayle on June 02, 2017, 02:09:21 PM
To top it off that ebay one's ad is not accurate.  It states the engine to be a 1275 when in fact it is likely just a 998.  (See the head in the engine picture - 998 thermostat housing and the 998 oriented heater port over the #4 cylinder.)

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on June 02, 2017, 02:34:13 PM
Good catch....clearly not a big block engine.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on June 02, 2017, 04:40:25 PM
And nowhere near 1975 with rear 3-point retractable seat belts either. 
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on June 02, 2017, 04:55:17 PM
Can't slide anything past us!   4.gif
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on June 05, 2017, 04:36:05 PM
The Aussie Mini did not sell, they got into a pissing match about the vin and the lack of authenticity and the bidding just dried up.

So, now I wonder if it truly is an Aussie built Mini or just a standard Mini with Aussie doors, and uprated motor and so on - talk about a potential bitsa.

I think the car is "known", as one of the posters asked if the car used to be Burgundy and if the owner had it painted and the answers were affirmative. I think someone might have been trying to slide one by, but the Mini community is small enough that they sniffed it out. I also think this may have been one of MiniGuy's cars, some of the comments made lead me to that.....

It also sounds like a very made up story, about the owner being a collector and having "too many cars" and needing to sell a few of them. One of the posters said "People just donít like stories, even if theyíre believable. As soon as you have to start explaining, youíre doomed."

Especially if the stories don't ring true.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: gr8kornholio on June 05, 2017, 05:04:28 PM
He bid on it twice, one even the first bid.  Of course since it wasn't under his username who knows.  Agree on the story part. If you have to start explaining away all kinds of stuff after the auction start you are fighting a loosing battle. 
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on June 05, 2017, 05:17:58 PM
He bid on it twice, one even the first bid.  Of course since it wasn't under his username who knows.  Agree on the story part. If you have to start explaining away all kinds of stuff after the auction start you are fighting a loosing battle.
Better to be upfront about everything rather than have things slowly come out, drip by drip.


Dave, over on eBay I see that Kel's VTEC Mini went RNM at $20K.  It looks like a very nice Mini, but I was thinking that's about top the price people would offer - even though it could cost much more to duplicate. 

I see that he is proud of not having a Minitec front subframe or conversion (bad blood there?), but then he is silent about what he is using.  Home built subframe?

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on June 05, 2017, 05:24:46 PM
Yes, he built the subframe, but he's a really good fabricator...

He says he's got a contract on it after all....I expect he got in touch with the high bidder after the auction ended and made the deal.

I hear the last bid was just under his reserve.....
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on June 05, 2017, 05:30:10 PM
So, now I wonder if it truly is an Aussie built Mini or just a standard Mini with Aussie doors, and uprated motor and so on - talk about a potential bitsa.

I just looked at the photos on BAT and I think you might be correct.  The car does not seem to have the special unique-to-Oz stamping of the windshield scuttle panel.  Looks to be a regular panel as fitted to a British Mini.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on June 06, 2017, 12:28:00 PM
This one should set the bar for a properly built Mini, not original, but extremely well done. I expect it to be pretty expensive - mid 20's maybe?

http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1968-austin-mini-cooper-s/ (http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1968-austin-mini-cooper-s/)

(http://13252-presscdn-0-94.pagely.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/Screen-Shot-2017-06-05-at-1.12.51-PM.png)

(http://13252-presscdn-0-94.pagely.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/79-1968-Mini-engine-bay-3-620x413.jpg)
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on June 07, 2017, 12:13:17 PM
Looks like I undervalued a car again....it's at $24K on the second day of bidding.....

Comments include "see what happens when you don't have to tell stories" and "Interesting how properly modified Minis can go for more than non-modified cars"
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: gr8kornholio on June 07, 2017, 01:24:21 PM
And the conversation drifted all the way to explaining methods for the cir clip installation.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on June 07, 2017, 01:36:14 PM
And the conversation drifted all the way to explaining methods for the cir clip installation.

Hey! Of course it did.   ;D
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on June 09, 2017, 09:18:15 AM
There's a disturbance in the Force.


MiniGuy has the current high bid of $27,250 on the pristine blue Cooper S on BAT.

Should be interesting as the auction closes with such high bids already and still days to go.

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: gr8kornholio on June 09, 2017, 03:16:03 PM
I'm guessing, as to not knowing the cost of swiftune products, but it should be approaching cost to build?  It's into well built and sorted vtec money at this point.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on June 09, 2017, 03:34:05 PM
I don't know what a Swiftune engine like this would cost to build, but with the 7 port crossflow head and Webers, I'm betting at least $10K.

But you bring up a good point about the Vtec, this car would be fun to drive, but not as a daily or for long drives, where Kel's Vtec was fully sorted, with A/C, and the same HP but in a much more reliable package.....for much less than this car is going to sell for.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on June 09, 2017, 03:50:05 PM
I've got a feeling this Mini will go for $35K or more.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: gr8kornholio on June 09, 2017, 08:04:25 PM
All we need are 2 to fight over it.  But didn't want to put negativity on the auction, so that's why I brought it up here.  I've come across 2 amazing vtecs for sale in the last couple years.  I know the yellow one went for less than 30 and not sure about the red one, but it was listed at 35.  I'll see if I can hunt down some links.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: gr8kornholio on June 09, 2017, 08:18:10 PM
Here's the red one.
http://www.minimania.com/cars4Sale/13959/1977_Austin_Cooper_Sedan

Here's the yellow one after some car dealer in Florida bought it and screwed it up. I just read the add and it cracks me up cause I know the history of this car.   Can't find the original add.  I saw it as low as 28K(it was on there for at least a year originally in san fran.) now this genius thinks he's going to get 36 for it.  Even listed on minimania where the original add was.

http://www.minimania.com/cars4Sale/13874/1961_Austin_Mini_SEVEN_Sedan

The hinges used to be yellow and the grille was blacked out.  Also had real seats in it.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on June 13, 2017, 02:45:30 PM
The blue Mk. II Mini Cooper S sold for.... (are you sitting down?) .....   fifty-six-thousand-five-hundred dollars!   :-\

Wow.  Just wow.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MPlayle on June 13, 2017, 02:58:05 PM
Especially since it started the day still at $27250!

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on June 13, 2017, 04:26:24 PM
$74,800 in Canukian money, interesting to see it's going to stay in Canada......
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on June 16, 2017, 05:29:22 PM
There's now a stunning Mk. I Cooper S on BAT.  And stunningly photographed too, (professional photographer I would say).   

I haven't studied all the photos in depth, but it looks very nice indeed.   Surprisingly, no under car shots yet. 

It's early to say, but if there are no surprises, I could see this one going for the upper $30Ks or more.

http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1967-mini-mk-i-2/

I love the color.

(http://13252-presscdn-0-94.pagely.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/Clarence-Beaman-Mini-Cooper-1-of-86-940x627.jpg)

(http://13252-presscdn-0-94.pagely.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/Clarence-Beaman-Mini-Cooper-34-of-86.jpg)
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on June 16, 2017, 06:53:03 PM
Doors don't fit any better than any of them....   ;D

Pretty car......if it doesn't have excuses and stories, it will sell well. One thing BaT bidders don't like are stories and explanations that don't make a lot of sense, or an arrogant non-involved seller.

Oh, and good ol Miniguy in with the first bid!

What's the sticker up on the left fender?

Edit: I found it.....that would be coming off immediately if it were my car.

(http://13252-presscdn-0-94.pagely.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/Clarence-Beaman-Mini-Cooper-18-of-86.jpg)
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on June 17, 2017, 02:13:01 PM
On Mania.....gorgeous wagon, supercharged too!  $21,500.

http://www.minimania.com/cars4Sale/14421/1970_Austin_Countryman_Wagon (http://www.minimania.com/cars4Sale/14421/1970_Austin_Countryman_Wagon)

(http://www.minimania.com/images_temp/630400100ADE8DC18-B6E1-1E9C-75F6FB68A5F1F3F7.jpg)
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MPlayle on June 17, 2017, 02:39:04 PM
That wagon is being sold by the same person that sold me what is now Jim's pickup. 

The 12.5K miles listed is what it has see since the "restoration" in 2001.  Not much use in nearly 16 years.

PS> It is located in the DFW area, so conceivably Bruce could inspect it.

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on June 17, 2017, 02:43:42 PM
It's a small world here in Mini-land, isn't it?

The car looks terrific!
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on June 17, 2017, 04:25:26 PM
I know the car and, Skip, the person selling it.  I was wondering why he and the wagon weren't at the All British Car Day a month ago. 

It's a very nice car. 
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on June 20, 2017, 02:43:23 PM
Mini racecar on offer at BAT.  Interesting to see the detail on all the race equipment.

http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1960-austin-vintage-race-mini/ 
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on June 21, 2017, 02:03:47 PM
There is now an Innocenti Mini on BAT.  I love looking at all the same-but-different stuff on them.
And I dropped a mention of Dan's shop in the comments because someone said it's too expensive to get a Mini restored.


http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1966-innocenti-mini/
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on June 21, 2017, 03:50:08 PM
I try to sneak in a mention of the forum on every one of these Mini auctions.

This Inno is truly a project, isn't it! Bring a Trailer indeed!
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Aridgerunner on June 22, 2017, 06:30:54 AM
OK guys, I'm on here now.  Great forum! 

I can't believe that there is not yet a bid on the Innocenti.  If I wasn't already into two mini's and a TR3 restoration I'd bid.  It's cool car.

Bill
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on June 22, 2017, 07:14:41 AM
Welcome!   Nice to have you here.

Tell us about yourself.  I hope you'll be sharing lots of details and photos of your Minis.  We'd love to hear about them.

Yes, it is surprising there are no bids on the Innocenti yet.   I wonder if part of that is due to the fact it's way up in Maine?   
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Aridgerunner on June 22, 2017, 10:26:25 AM
Bruce, thanks for the welcome. Does this forum have a section for "introduce yourself"?  Many others do and that helps the old timers see a newbie better.

Briefly, I bought my first Mini (a 1959 850) in 1970 while stationed in the UK.  I drove it for a few months and then dropped in an 1100 with remote shifter. I went through several cars for a while and then bought a new 1972 MGB GT.  I beat the crap out the GT and sold it with 41,000 miles on it when I left there.

I still have my 1957 MGA that I bought in 1968.  Sitting in the garage right now is 1978 Mini something.  It was originally a RHD car that was converted to LHD.  Someone then put in an MG Metro engine, Cooper front discs and rear drums.  The engine has an HIF 44 carb, long center branch header and 1.5 ratio roller tipped rockers.  The body is RUST. I'll post progress pictues soon.

In the barn is 1970 Mini MKII, external hinges, and sliding windows.  It was originally a Canadian car.  Next to it is a 1959 TR3, basket case. I've got more projects than brains or years left on the planet.  But I'm having more fun than should be allowed.

Bill
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on June 22, 2017, 08:08:50 PM
Bill, sounds like you've got the British Car disease, and a bad case of it, like most of us here.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on June 22, 2017, 08:43:15 PM
Welcome to the forum, Bill.

I also have the "British disease", with an E-Type, a Mini and a MINI!
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Aridgerunner on June 23, 2017, 06:43:47 AM
Oh yes, BCD for sure.  It all started when I was about 12 years old.  Our neighbors owned a red MGA and the woman used to takes us (my brother and me) for rides in it regularly.  Her brother used to keep his little front engined, open wheeled race car in their garage.  It had a wierd name, Lotus.  We used to sit it and pretend to race.  And we would go watch him at the hill climbs.  Then he sold it and bought an Elite.  We were not allowed to play in that one. And as you expect, they had friends with other funny little sports cars.  Life was good!  Still is.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on June 23, 2017, 03:35:11 PM
There's now a stunning Mk. I Cooper S on BAT.  And stunningly photographed too, (professional photographer I would say).   

I haven't studied all the photos in depth, but it looks very nice indeed.   Surprisingly, no under car shots yet. 

It's early to say, but if there are no surprises, I could see this one going for the upper $30Ks or more.

[url]http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1967-mini-mk-i-2/[/url]


Just sold with lots of last minute bids for $41K.   
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: 94touring on June 24, 2017, 11:55:31 AM
So I should build my 67 up and sell it for 50 or 60k?
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on June 24, 2017, 12:26:26 PM
Makes one wonder just how many buyers there are out there for expensive Minis?  8.gif
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on June 24, 2017, 01:14:41 PM
Based upon the number of people involved in last minute bidding for every expensive Mini, I'd say there are quite a few.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: gr8kornholio on June 24, 2017, 03:03:35 PM
Don't try to understand car collectors right now.  It goes from  8.gif to  :-[ to  11.gif to  50.gif.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on June 27, 2017, 07:13:13 PM
The Innocenti on BAT was RNM at $2100.    Seems like it might have met reserve somewhere around $4K is my guess.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on July 03, 2017, 08:29:56 PM
Anyone else notice the trend of how many cars for sale on BaT were bought only a few months prior - on BaT?

It's like Mecum and Bonhams and all the other big auction houses, the same few guys buying and selling over and over again and driving the prices up.......pisses me off cause it's all based on speculation rather than the real value of the car.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: gr8kornholio on July 04, 2017, 11:24:28 AM
Or people in the know scouring the for sale adds buying up stuff they've seen go for stupid money on BaT but that the rest of the public hasn't figured out yet.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on July 04, 2017, 12:23:41 PM
But if they pay stupid money on BaT, how do they expect to make more re-selling on BaT?
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: gr8kornholio on July 04, 2017, 06:20:00 PM
No, they know people will pay stupid money on BaT, but the random craigslist seller or local seller isn't aware of the market.  Like, O you have a Integra Type R for sale, lovely, I'll give you 10K cause it's in great shape and I had one bla bla bla.  Clean it up, put it on BaT, BAM 35K  Kind of like the 240z market right now.   I'm sure there are a lot of people out there that have no idea what they are currently selling for.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on July 08, 2017, 07:53:01 AM
There's a Mini Van times 1.5 over at BAT.    Not cheap.  But it offers a little more than usual.

http://bringatrailer.com/2017/07/06/__trashed/
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on July 08, 2017, 10:15:23 AM
If it wasn't so much money it would be a good candidate for a D series engine.

Good looking combination tho.....
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MPlayle on July 08, 2017, 10:38:40 AM
Add in the cost and headache of importing from the Netherlands.

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on July 12, 2017, 05:02:41 PM
Yet another Mini being auctioned on BAT.  This one is a rare Authi model.   I see that temperature gauge goes from Frio to Caliente.    4.gif

No real under car shots yet.   My wild guess is this one will be bid up to $11-12K.   

http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1972-morris-mini-1000-deluxe/
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on July 13, 2017, 12:33:15 PM
I forgot to mention the Authi Mini is said to have just 14K miles from new, so that makes it even more rare.


BAT indicates that there's a white Moke that needs some bodywork.  Sounds kinda familiar?   ;D    It's a later Oz Moke with the 13" wheels, but it's titled as a 1967, so not exactly correct.  No mention on the engine size.  But it's on Craigslist for $6800 which, in the world of Mokes, is cheap!

http://bringatrailer.com/2017/07/12/lhd-leyland-australia-export-model-1967-morris-mini-moke/
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MPlayle on July 18, 2017, 12:23:33 PM
Another Min listed on BAT:

http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1960-morris-mini-minor/ (http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1960-morris-mini-minor/)

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on July 18, 2017, 01:36:43 PM
Another Min listed on BAT:

[url]http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1960-morris-mini-minor/[/url] ([url]http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1960-morris-mini-minor/[/url])

 
Wow.  From what I can see looking at it with my phone, that is a very nice nearly original Mini.  I can't wait to look at it closer on my computer.   At this point I'm thinking it may approach $20K if the right buyer is out there.  And if it's a UK buyer, it could go higher.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: gr8kornholio on July 18, 2017, 05:19:36 PM
The little green one was snagged with an extra 1000 bid.  Pretty sure the entire BaT universe was watching the Cosworth.  Guess they're valuable, but 55K for 80's overdone styling, 200HP and 0-60 in 6.2.  I just don't get it.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on July 18, 2017, 07:48:07 PM
Yet another Mini being auctioned on BAT.  This one is a rare Authi model.   I see that temperature gauge goes from Frio to Caliente.    4.gif

No real under car shots yet.   My wild guess is this one will be bid up to $11-12K.   

[url]http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1972-morris-mini-1000-deluxe/[/url]


You're getting pretty good at this, Carnack the magnificent! Sold for just under $11K
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on July 19, 2017, 03:46:51 PM
Yet another Mini being auctioned on BAT.  This one is a rare Authi model.   I see that temperature gauge goes from Frio to Caliente.    4.gif

No real under car shots yet.   My wild guess is this one will be bid up to $11-12K.   

[url]http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1972-morris-mini-1000-deluxe/[/url]


You're getting pretty good at this, Carnack the magnificent! Sold for just under $11K


Carnack?  Why I'm a regular Donald Osborne (without the singing).   ;D
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on July 19, 2017, 03:51:42 PM
We'll let the panel decide....... ;D

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/2/21/Carnac.jpg)

(http://automotivevaluationservices.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/Assess_Caress_Still.jpg)
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MPlayle on July 19, 2017, 04:31:08 PM
+1 for Carnack.   ;D

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MPlayle on July 20, 2017, 09:06:10 AM
Another Min listed on BAT:

[url]http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1960-morris-mini-minor/[/url] ([url]http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1960-morris-mini-minor/[/url])


This one is now also listed on Mini Mania's classifieds with a $30K asking price.

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on July 20, 2017, 07:19:02 PM
It's no reserve on BaT???????
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on July 21, 2017, 12:38:46 AM
The white Aussie Moke sold for the full asking price $6800. Michael P i see your old Yellow Aussie Moke is back for sale on ebay for $28k.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on July 21, 2017, 06:06:16 AM
It's no reserve on BaT???????


It didn't start out at no reserve.   Seller must have gained some confidence.   
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MPlayle on July 21, 2017, 09:02:39 AM
Yes, I saw that my old Yellow Aussie Moke is back on ebay.  It is now under a third "dealer", claiming it to be a 1275 when it is in fact a 998.  When WireWheel had it, they changed the wheels from the factory originals, converted it to LHD, and "lost" the front bumper.  Since then it has apparently had a radio added and the speakers installed into the lid of the truck box.

The outrageous price increases are all solely based on it having once been owned by "Bobby Rahal" (the race car driver).

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on July 21, 2017, 09:59:56 AM
Yes, I saw that my old Yellow Aussie Moke is back on ebay.  It is now under a third "dealer", claiming it to be a 1275 when it is in fact a 998.  When WireWheel had it, they changed the wheels from the factory originals, converted it to LHD, and "lost" the front bumper.  Since then it has apparently had a radio added and the speakers installed into the lid of the truck box.

The outrageous price increases are all solely based on it having once been owned by "Bobby Rahal" (the race car driver).

That makes me think of all the owners and changes a vintage car goes through over its lifetime.  Some are sympathetic, and some just don't care at all. 

And it reminds me of an old movie called "The Yellow Rolls Royce" with a bunch of Hiollywood stars of the 1960s.  The movie follows the life of the Rolls as it is first bought from a dealer by a diplomat, then later is owned by a gangster, and so on. 
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on July 24, 2017, 03:59:06 PM
Another Min listed on BAT:

[url]http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1960-morris-mini-minor/[/url] ([url]http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1960-morris-mini-minor/[/url])

 
Wow.  From what I can see looking at it with my phone, that is a very nice nearly original Mini.  I can't wait to look at it closer on my computer.   At this point I'm thinking it may approach $20K if the right buyer is out there.  And if it's a UK buyer, it could go higher.


My guess was high - it just sold for $15K.  Great price for a nearly original early Mk. I Mini.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on July 24, 2017, 04:25:30 PM
Small motor, non-S syndrome......
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MPlayle on July 24, 2017, 04:49:47 PM
That is WAY under what he listed it for on the Mini Mania classifieds.  There it was listed with an asking price of $30K.

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on July 24, 2017, 09:31:04 PM
That is WAY under what he listed it for on the Mini Mania classifieds.  There it was listed with an asking price of $30K.

Seems to me that wildly optimistically overpriced is the hallmark of nearly all Minis on the Minimania site (and the Hemings site too for that matter).

I wonder if the seller of that Mini regrets changing it to No Reserve? 

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: 94touring on July 24, 2017, 09:36:19 PM
How about the price tag on this one in my back yard.

https://oklahomacity.craigslist.org/cto/d/classic-mini/6221037586.html
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on July 24, 2017, 10:06:39 PM
How about the price tag on this one in my back yard.

https://oklahomacity.craigslist.org/cto/d/classic-mini/6221037586.html

Yup.  Looks like a nice period Mini in an oh-so-1970s potato brown. In the UK, in that condition, it would probably be about a £5000 car - about $6500.   So the $18000 the seller is seeking is quite a bit higher.   I would think it might find a home here in the US for $9-11K  if someone just had to have it.    IMO, the color, drum brakes, and the small bore engine keep it out of the sights of someone looking for a sporting Mini.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Willie_B on July 25, 2017, 07:17:17 AM
How about the price tag on this one in my back yard.

https://oklahomacity.craigslist.org/cto/d/classic-mini/6221037586.html

Restored, NO NO NO. Repainted, YEP.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on August 01, 2017, 06:51:17 PM
Wadya think of this one for $15K?

https://www.facebook.com/joe.mamari1/posts/1773804692635107 (https://www.facebook.com/joe.mamari1/posts/1773804692635107)
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MPlayle on August 01, 2017, 07:39:55 PM
He has been trying to sell that one several times on the Mini Mania classifieds.  Here is the latest posting:

http://www.minimania.com/cars4Sale/14395/1984_Austin_1275GT_Sedan (http://www.minimania.com/cars4Sale/14395/1984_Austin_1275GT_Sedan)

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on August 01, 2017, 08:08:33 PM
If you look carefully at the photos,, you can see some black patches up on the right side of the cowl and by the right rear arch, I asked him about those and he said they were rust bubbles.....  :-\
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on August 11, 2017, 11:44:50 AM
Two Mini wagons for sale on BaT right now, I think I like the yellow one better....LHD, plus the wood and the 1275 but both are nice.....

http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1963-austin-mini-countryman/ (http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1963-austin-mini-countryman/)

The blue one is a no reserve auction and brought $17Kand change only a year ago on BaT. It will be interesting to see what it does this year.....

http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1964-morris-mini-traveller-2/ (http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1964-morris-mini-traveller-2/)
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MPlayle on August 11, 2017, 03:42:19 PM
Of the two Mini wagons on BAT I actually seem to prefer the blue one.

The item I am tempted by is the MG Midget with the Ashley GT conversion:

http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1974-mg-midgetashley-gt/ (http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1974-mg-midgetashley-gt/)

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on August 11, 2017, 03:51:58 PM
I just sent that link to a friend of mine!
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MPlayle on August 11, 2017, 04:53:22 PM
Nuts! 

I've been trying to decide if I wanted to be brave enough to jump into that one.  Now I am likely to end up with serious competition for it if I decide to be serious about it.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on August 11, 2017, 05:34:38 PM
No, he's not a buyer, he just bought a '79 - I was just showing it to him...no worries!
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: paulmc130 on August 12, 2017, 02:00:43 PM
Anyone have any ideas on this one? Never seen a Clubman coupe before.

http://ebay.com/itm/222610319464
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on August 12, 2017, 02:11:53 PM
I think that's a Broadspeed conversion, I've seen those before - I kinda like them on the round nose cars....
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MPlayle on August 12, 2017, 05:13:48 PM
I think there was also a place in Australia doing a similar conversion called the Monaco.

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on August 12, 2017, 05:33:28 PM
Didn't the Monaco have flared fenders too tho?

Man I don't understand how anyone can buy a car off Ebay with this few pics and this little info......
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Willie_B on August 12, 2017, 06:14:02 PM
Anyone have any ideas on this one? Never seen a Clubman coupe before.

[url]http://ebay.com/itm/222610319464[/url]


If it was closer I would go check it out. Always liked that look.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MPlayle on August 12, 2017, 07:35:36 PM
Didn't the Monaco have flared fenders too tho?

Man I don't understand how anyone can buy a car off Ebay with this few pics and this little info......

I did a Google search on "Mini Monaco" and looked at the image page that came up.  Some have flares of varying sorts and some don't.  All of them have a lower, chopped and more raked roofline.  The one on ebay appears full height.  I would go with your first guess of it being a Broadspeed conversion (or replica of the Broadspeed).

Perhaps something ABS Motorsport in the UK offered at one time?

Edit: Probably not a Broadspeed conversion - all of those shown in a similar Google search have the "duck tail" configuration.



Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Willie_B on August 12, 2017, 10:04:35 PM
I remember on minimania several years ago a guy named madmatt in Australia had a fiberglass roof panel of the Monaco made. I believe he had 10-12 made for sale. I am betting this car is from downunder and was put together there.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on August 12, 2017, 10:12:42 PM
Could be from Oz, but doesn't have the flush exterior door handles of the Aussie-built Clubman models, so I don't know.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on August 16, 2017, 09:41:34 AM
Well, the yellow woody sold for $11K, pretty reasonable IMHO......although I think it had rust in the sills......so maybe not such a great deal, hard to say.

The blue wagon goes today, it will be fun to see where it lands but I think it will do better despite the smaller engine....I'm especially intrigued by these guys buying them on BaT and re-selling 6 months or a year later. Wonder if it will do better or cost him a bit?

The red Ashley Midget only brought $6600 - mplayle, did you bid on it? I think it was a decent buy at that price, but with the non-reclining seats and hard top, I don't think I could have gotten in and out of it. I can barely do that in Don's car with the reclining seats and the top down. Once in the car there's plenty of room - it's even harder to get in and out of than my old Jag.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MPlayle on August 16, 2017, 11:50:50 AM
I did not bid on it.  That would have been a very good buy, but I decided to be a wimp and hold onto my finances for a while longer.

Too many years of being on a tight budget and I tend to be afraid of spending when I have it available.  Put that with fluctuating contract hours and I chickened out.

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on August 16, 2017, 01:41:30 PM
Don't blame you one bit!

BTDT.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on August 18, 2017, 03:47:18 PM
That blue Mini wagon sold for $12750, about what I thought it should go for, maybe a bit low.......the small bore engine probably held it back some but the real eye opener for me is the $5 grand the guy lost owning it for one year.

Betting on appreciation did not work for this BaT flipper......
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on August 18, 2017, 03:55:23 PM
That blue Mini wagon sold for $12750, about what I thought it should go for, maybe a bit low.......the small bore engine probably held it back some but the real eye opener for me is the $5 grand the guy lost owning it for one year.

Betting on appreciation did not work for this BaT flipper......
I've been busy and haven't kept up on BAT auctions lately.  But I just checked the listing for this Mini to see if MiniGuy did some lowball bids and then dropped out only to later to post about his business.   

Not disappointed.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on August 18, 2017, 04:46:12 PM
That blue Mini wagon sold for $12750, about what I thought it should go for, maybe a bit low.......the small bore engine probably held it back some but the real eye opener for me is the $5 grand the guy lost owning it for one year.

Betting on appreciation did not work for this BaT flipper......

I was watching Jay Leno's show and  they were talking about how a compelling story or interesting history of a car being sold can help add value to it.    Not sure I completely bought that idea but it could have some merit to it. 

Looks like this was the complete opposite - a short term flipper who had tried various other ways to get rid of it, and then finally came to BAT.   So, it appeared he really did not care much for the car and was simply trying to dispose of it. How appealing is something not wanted?  But, imagine if this car had an honest true story about how much it meant to someone, how important it was in their lives, or maybe adventures they had with it.  I bet it could've sold for a lot more if that was the case.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Willie_B on August 18, 2017, 04:51:44 PM
Well, I was the high bidder on that Clubman coupe thing on ebay. Did not meet reserve, listed again with a but it now at $9300.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on August 18, 2017, 04:58:00 PM
Brad, are you just looking for a Mini that is not run-of-the-mill?   Because I think that car is it!
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Willie_B on August 18, 2017, 07:31:02 PM
It is kinda neat. For sure would have the only one around.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on August 18, 2017, 07:42:53 PM
The eBay ad is kinda sparse.  Does it have an 1100 engine?
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on August 28, 2017, 05:34:48 PM
Multiple Minis imported from Japan are currently available here:   http://www.minitruckdealer.com/stock_list2.php?location_id=14&mfg_year2=1992&key=&Submit.x=79&Submit.y=10

Not much detail on them and few photos, but they are already in the US, so that's something.

Here's one with a 1300 engine and a/c.   
http://www.minitruckdealer.com/stock_details.php?stock_no=4613#photo 

A LHD one, but no a/c.
http://www.minitruckdealer.com/stock_details.php?stock_no=4585

And several automatic Minis too:

http://www.minitruckdealer.com/stock_details.php?stock_no=4606

http://www.minitruckdealer.com/stock_details.php?stock_no=4581

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MPlayle on August 28, 2017, 10:28:31 PM
For supposedly being in the US, those pictures are from the Japanese auction and not very good quality.  You would think if they have them in actual inventory, they would take more and better pictures for posting on their US website.

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on August 29, 2017, 08:35:07 AM
Agreed.  They seem to focus on the Kei trucks which are a pretty much a commodity.  They are pretty bad about going into detail on anything. 
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on August 29, 2017, 09:48:18 AM
The vin number on the LHD yellow one with no a/c is not a Mini vin number. Some of the J spec Mini's advertised have an SAXX vin number and others have a 99X vin number, the yellow one has neither unless it has the wrong vin entered.The SAXX vin numbered Mini's are the original factory vin numbers, the 99X vin numbers are the one's crudely stamped into the body in Japan usually in the boot floor sometimes with the original SAXX vin plates right next to them or on the inner fender.
If buying a J spec Mini personally (the way my DMV operates) i would look at the SAXX vin numbered ones to buy as they have the corresponding drip rail vin to match, not saying you cannot register a 99X Mini as i know of several that have been registered that way with no issues. The 99X vin numbers were only used for a couple of years in the late 80's early 90's.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on August 29, 2017, 10:48:58 AM
Good info to know.   A 17 digit VIN in the expected configuration not only helps with registration, but with obtaining insurance too.  Bureaucracies don't deal with anomalies very well.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on August 30, 2017, 09:53:30 AM
Not on BAT, but on Pistonheads is this Mini on sale for £130,000  :-\   It's an ex-BMC works rally car and the seller explains that it has been re-shelled.


https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/morris/other-models/1964-bmc-cooper-s-works-ex-monte-carlo-paddy-hopkirk/7606639

(https://img.pistonheads.com/LargeSize/morris/other-models/morris-other-models-S3067246-1.jpg)
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on August 30, 2017, 10:34:17 AM
is in excellent condition and retains many of its original Works parts Ė including the original chassis plate Ė  so rare in many similar cars today.

 ;D
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on August 30, 2017, 10:41:20 PM
Nice Mk. II Morris Mini Cooper 998 on auction over at BAT.   It's certified as the final Morris Mini Cooper produced, which I think is something.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1969-mini-cooper-mk2/

The downside is that it's in Greece.  And the color won't appeal to everyone.   Plus it's a 998 rather than a Cooper S.  My wild guess is that it will go for about $18K.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on September 06, 2017, 07:18:20 PM
Nice Mk. II Morris Mini Cooper 998 on auction over at BAT.   It's certified as the final Morris Mini Cooper produced, which I think is something.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1969-mini-cooper-mk2/

The downside is that it's in Greece.  And the color won't appeal to everyone.   Plus it's a 998 rather than a Cooper S.  My wild guess is that it will go for about $18K.

This Morris Mini Cooper just sold for...


...$18,250. 




I'm going to take me victory lap now.   4.gif
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: gr8kornholio on September 06, 2017, 07:33:36 PM
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1993-mazda-rx-7-16/

Not a mini, but I'm sure people will appreciate.  Still my favorite car to ever come out of Japan and probably in my favorite color combination.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on September 06, 2017, 08:21:50 PM
You da man Bruce!

What do you think the RX7 will sell for?

BTW, $18,250 plus 5% buyers premium plus $2500 shipping to NY, plus customs duties and fees, plus shipping to Stamford, Conn. so more like $22,500 delivered. Guy said he had a 2015 Cooper S in Volcano orange and couldn't pass it up......
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on September 06, 2017, 08:35:32 PM
This one is interesting to me, as I had an Abarth Nardi 750......this one is interesting because the engine has been changed for an 850, which turns the other direction - which means you need an 850 transmission, which will not fit between the rear control arms.......and on it goes......

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1957-abarth-750/ (https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1957-abarth-750/)

Mine had a similar finned oil pan, only it said Nardi on it instead of Abarth. Mine also had a finned Nardi valve cover......
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: 94touring on September 06, 2017, 09:33:24 PM
Clean rx7 kept stock, 25k and up.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on September 07, 2017, 03:37:56 PM
On eBay, but featured on BAT:  It's a Mini Jim, but not as we know it.

It's a Mini in an Italian costume.

https://bringatrailer.com/2017/09/07/alejandros-other-hybrid-1982-innocenti-mini-de-tomaso/

(http://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/-RQAAOSwVgZZrW8I/s-l1600.jpg)
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on September 07, 2017, 04:39:00 PM
I like that Inno, but when you listen and watch the vids it rattles and squeaks and carries on just like a Mini!   ;D

Here's a Pup for sale on Hemmings, even discounting for the Hemmings price bump I think this is a little optimistic.....

https://www.hemmings.com/classifieds/dealer/austin/mini/1995015.html (https://www.hemmings.com/classifieds/dealer/austin/mini/1995015.html)

There's also a much more reasonably priced 67 850 on Hemmings....

https://www.hemmings.com/classifieds/dealer/austin/mini/1984212.html#&gid=1&pid=3 (https://www.hemmings.com/classifieds/dealer/austin/mini/1984212.html#&gid=1&pid=3)

And an in-the-middle priced MkI Wagon

https://www.hemmings.com/classifieds/dealer/austin/mini/1744001.html#&gid=1&pid=2 (https://www.hemmings.com/classifieds/dealer/austin/mini/1744001.html#&gid=1&pid=2)

And then there's this eye wateringly priced Traveler......

https://www.hemmings.com/classifieds/dealer/austin/countryman-a40/1921781.html (https://www.hemmings.com/classifieds/dealer/austin/countryman-a40/1921781.html)
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: gr8kornholio on September 07, 2017, 07:08:05 PM
Yea, those marketers at Gateway classics make hemmings look like craigslist.  What's sad is there are people out there that just don't know and think, "wow what a bargin, I thought classic coopers went for 50K+"

The pup was nice, until the close ups started.  It's in Austin though so don't tell the misses.  LOL.  Realistic price on it?
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on September 07, 2017, 07:54:29 PM
Another Greek Mini on Bat.....

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1969-mini-restored-1969-austin-mini-cooper-mkii/ (https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1969-mini-restored-1969-austin-mini-cooper-mkii/)
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on September 07, 2017, 08:53:19 PM
Another Greek Mini on Bat.....

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1969-mini-restored-1969-austin-mini-cooper-mkii/ (https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1969-mini-restored-1969-austin-mini-cooper-mkii/)

Looks like a very nice Mini. I wonder what it will sell for?   My guess is around $15K.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MPlayle on September 07, 2017, 10:42:12 PM
The Pup is over priced a bit.

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on September 08, 2017, 09:29:28 AM
I like that Inno, but when you listen and watch the vids it rattles and squeaks and carries on just like a Mini!   ;D

Here's a Pup for sale on Hemmings, even discounting for the Hemmings price bump I think this is a little optimistic.....

https://www.hemmings.com/classifieds/dealer/austin/mini/1995015.html (https://www.hemmings.com/classifieds/dealer/austin/mini/1995015.html)

There's also a much more reasonably priced 67 850 on Hemmings....

https://www.hemmings.com/classifieds/dealer/austin/mini/1984212.html#&gid=1&pid=3 (https://www.hemmings.com/classifieds/dealer/austin/mini/1984212.html#&gid=1&pid=3)

And an in-the-middle priced MkI Wagon

https://www.hemmings.com/classifieds/dealer/austin/mini/1744001.html#&gid=1&pid=2 (https://www.hemmings.com/classifieds/dealer/austin/mini/1744001.html#&gid=1&pid=2)

And then there's this eye wateringly priced Traveler......

https://www.hemmings.com/classifieds/dealer/austin/countryman-a40/1921781.html (https://www.hemmings.com/classifieds/dealer/austin/countryman-a40/1921781.html)

I agree with Mark on the Pickup -- need beer goggles to love it.

The plain Mini 850 is the nicest of the four since it is mostly original, but it still seems priced high.

The red wagon looks a lot like my old Traveller, but what a crazy price.   

The white rusty wagon is priced about 3 times what it is worth. 
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on September 08, 2017, 10:12:30 PM
Another Mini on BAT.    Not what you might be expecting.    If the markets crash you can count on your roof!


https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1991-rover-after-eight/
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: 94touring on September 10, 2017, 11:03:27 PM
Speaking of mint rx7's.  And over on the rx7club a chaste white with 65k miles sold for 27k...with a blown motor!

  http://m.ebay.com/itm/1993-Mazda-RX-7-Coupe-Only-21-128-actual-miles-/391883876836?hash=item5b3e1969e4%3Ag%3ADoAAAOSwY0hZswAD&_trkparms=pageci%253A96abefb6-96a5-11e7-92d4-74dbd18079e4%257Cparentrq%253A6f176d8015e0a86702566b6fffe90a10%257Ciid%253A9
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: 94touring on September 10, 2017, 11:09:18 PM
Or even more expensive and not left concourse.

http://m.ebay.com/itm/1994-Mazda-RX-7-Touring-/263187207247?hash=item3d472e144f%3Ag%3AqV4AAOSwRaRZrdd9&_trkparms=pageci%253Aab4961bc-96a6-11e7-afcf-74dbd1801de2%257Cparentrq%253A6f1e825515e0aa14c937a107ffe915ab%257Ciid%253A7
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on September 11, 2017, 03:38:07 PM
Mike Malamut's car is up for sale on BaT. This is the one I almost got to drive from Maryland to KC, and then tow to Sandy Eggo last spring. Surprised to see it up for sale already but he probably found a better one to buy......that's how he does his collection, he buys the nicest he can find and if he finds a nicer yet one, sells the other one back off again.

Good luck Mike!

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1962-austin-mini-cooper-4/ (https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1962-austin-mini-cooper-4/)

(https://bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/DSC_0672-1280x836.jpg)
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on September 11, 2017, 04:16:17 PM
Nice Mini -  a Mk. I you can drive and enjoy without the worry of it being a true Cooper S. 

Depending on how the auction goes, I think he will get just a little bit more than he paid for it.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on September 12, 2017, 04:10:06 PM
Just like Mark did, I finally hit the Big Time over at BAT with an inclusion in "Yesterdayís comments of note"   https://bringatrailer.com/2017/09/12/yesterdays-comments-of-note-140/

Long ago I signed up as LarryH on that site.  (to protect my secret identity!)  BAT liked my Comment about teenage shenanigans in my family's station wagon.


Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: 94touring on September 12, 2017, 04:25:58 PM
The family truckster.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on September 12, 2017, 04:36:06 PM
Nice Mini -  a Mk. I you can drive and enjoy without the worry of it being a true Cooper S. 

Depending on how the auction goes, I think he will get just a little bit more than he paid for it.

He paid $16,650 plus 5% buyers commission so about $17,500, plus $1600 to get it shipped to him - that's $19,100.....still think he'll make a little on it?
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on September 12, 2017, 04:49:48 PM
Nice Mini -  a Mk. I you can drive and enjoy without the worry of it being a true Cooper S. 

Depending on how the auction goes, I think he will get just a little bit more than he paid for it.

He paid $16,650 plus 5% buyers commission so about $17,500, plus $1600 to get it shipped to him - that's $19,100.....still think he'll make a little on it?

No.  I think it will bid to about $15K and may not make reserve.  But who knows?

As I said above, a lot depends on the tone of the auction.   Right now, the tone in the comments is  somewhat negative because it was listed as a Cooper. 
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: gr8kornholio on September 12, 2017, 05:00:41 PM
And Bruce, that is exactly why my kid will not be driving the family SUV later in life.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on September 14, 2017, 05:00:44 PM
Another Greek Mini on Bat.....

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1969-mini-restored-1969-austin-mini-cooper-mkii/ (https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1969-mini-restored-1969-austin-mini-cooper-mkii/)

Looks like a very nice Mini. I wonder what it will sell for?   My guess is around $15K.

Bid only to $12K.  Reserve not met.   I think it was worth more - the seller could not have been more accommodating.  I guess when you think about the shipping and import costs from Greece it could have caused some potential buyers to hold back.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on September 14, 2017, 09:22:13 PM
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1967-mini-mk-i-2-2/ (https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1967-mini-mk-i-2-2/)

this one should be interesting to watch, a real 67 Cooper S that sold in June for $41K, but the buyer backed out when it blew it's head gasket right after the sale. Heritage Garage fixed it up and now it's back for sale......
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: gr8kornholio on September 14, 2017, 09:41:47 PM
Didn't want to put this on BaT, but I smell fish.  You bid up a car to 41K, it's beautiful and has pedigree, but realize the only "valuable" cars today seem to be all original.  Which this is clearly not and you back out because of a head gasket.  What's that take, 5 minutes to change?  Skeptic.  Buyer realized he probably overpaid based off of OG Cooper S values and got lucky to get out.  Guess we'll see what the market says this time.

Maybe just me though.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: 94touring on September 15, 2017, 08:26:09 AM
I see that rx7 went for 21.5k. About what I'd expect for 50k miles on that color.  White, yellow, and red seem to be the big money colors.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on September 15, 2017, 08:35:05 AM
I agree Mark, that's why I think it will be interesting to see where it goes....also to see if the market is still as strong on these.

I think a lot of these deals are starting to smell, cars being bought up for big numbers and 6 months later they're back up for auction, hoping to snare an even bigger deal.....just like Mecum. If you watch that show you'll see the same few guys bidding up the muscle cars ever show.

There's an E-Type coupe on there right now that brought all the money on BaT not long ago too......
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: 94touring on September 15, 2017, 09:06:02 AM
I hope 67 cooper s's go for 41k+. I happen to know a guy who forgets he owns one.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on September 15, 2017, 10:22:00 AM
 ;D  4.gif 77.gif
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on September 15, 2017, 10:23:20 AM
I hope 67 cooper s's go for 41k+. I happen to know a guy who forgets he owns one.

Ouch!  ;D
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on September 15, 2017, 11:09:32 AM
Yes, but it needs $30K of work!   ;D
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: 94touring on September 15, 2017, 11:17:17 AM
Yes but I don't charge myself lol.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on September 15, 2017, 07:57:18 PM
Another Mini on BAT.    Not what you might be expecting.    If the markets crash you can count on your roof!


https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1991-rover-after-eight/

The 998 Mini with the real gold leaf roof sold for a little over $11K.   I'd say the novelty of the gold roof didn't really hurt it Ė or help it!
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on September 18, 2017, 03:23:50 PM
Nice Mini -  a Mk. I you can drive and enjoy without the worry of it being a true Cooper S. 

Depending on how the auction goes, I think he will get just a little bit more than he paid for it.

He paid $16,650 plus 5% buyers commission so about $17,500, plus $1600 to get it shipped to him - that's $19,100.....still think he'll make a little on it?

No.  I think it will bid to about $15K and may not make reserve.  But who knows?

As I said above, a lot depends on the tone of the auction.   Right now, the tone in the comments is  somewhat negative because it was listed as a Cooper.

Sold for $17250.  Seems like a good price for that car.   

So more than he paid for it, but less than he spent to ship it, pay tax on it, register it, etc.     But I'm sure he didn't buy it to make money on it.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on September 18, 2017, 03:43:19 PM
I'm sure he's thrilled with that result, and I think it was a good buy.......you're right, money is not the issue with him!   ;D
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on September 20, 2017, 09:43:38 AM
There must be several dozen different aftermarket kit cars bodies for Minis, this to me is one of the less successful looking ones.....

https://bringatrailer.com/2017/09/19/the-real-deal-1979-mccoy-mini/ (https://bringatrailer.com/2017/09/19/the-real-deal-1979-mccoy-mini/)

(http://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/5uIAAOSwEH9ZZ-~V/s-l1600.jpg)
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: gr8kornholio on September 20, 2017, 10:59:39 AM
I guess since underneath the mini is just two sub frames connected by a shell, you could literally make the shell anything.  A lot like the VW pan, the entire rolling chassis with engine is there, so just attached whatever to it.

Odd I have both, and turns out so do a lot of other people I've met.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on September 22, 2017, 07:31:28 AM
That McCoy is not exactly a styling tour de force, is it?

Over at BAT, a Mk. I Cooper S was relisted and this time sold for $36K.  I  just could not warm up to this car - probably because of the over-processed and filtered photos.  It was like a woman with way too much make-up. 

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1967-mini-mk-i-2-2/

(https://bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/Screen-Shot-2017-09-11-at-1.52.17-PM-940x697.png)
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on September 22, 2017, 07:42:17 AM
And now there is another Mini from Greece on BAT.    This is like the 3rd one in as many weeks.

It may be from the 70s, but this one screams the 90s with all the updates.  Said to have been completely refurbished.   Looks to be clean and well-built and very well presented with great photos.   The tan interior looks very nice.  For all the money that must have been spent on it, I wonder why they stuck with a 998 engine instead of a 1275?

Since it's far away in Greece that will put some people off, but I'm guessing someone will bid about $13K-$14K for it.    Not sure if that will make the reserve.  I think the bidding may depend on how often the smaller engine size comes up in the comments.


https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1979-mini-mark-iv/

(https://bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/JY9A3737-940x627.jpg)

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: gr8kornholio on September 22, 2017, 12:20:11 PM
Like someone said, that was an expensive head gasket.  Of course I'll stick with my original opinion that the back out had nothing to do with the head gasket.  My favorite part on that one was what I saw someone call the fat toe wheels.  Course now that's all I see. 

Think this Greek one is the same seller of the last one that didn't meet reserve.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on September 24, 2017, 10:41:11 AM
I wonder if the bloom is off the rose.....of the last 40 auctions completed as of today, 11 of them did not make reserve. Might have something to do with why they asked my grandsons to run such a low reserve on their Honda Beat when they listed it.....
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: gr8kornholio on September 25, 2017, 05:54:12 AM
Wondered the same thing.  This auction listings are starting to look like a national craigslist/ebay with lots of random stuff trying to sell for TOP dollar. 
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on September 27, 2017, 04:34:16 PM
And now there is another Mini from Greece on BAT.    This is like the 3rd one in as many weeks.

It may be from the 70s, but this one screams the 90s with all the updates.  Said to have been completely refurbished.   Looks to be clean and well-built and very well presented with great photos.   The tan interior looks very nice.  For all the money that must have been spent on it, I wonder why they stuck with a 998 engine instead of a 1275?

Since it's far away in Greece that will put some people off, but I'm guessing someone will bid about $13K-$14K for it.    Not sure if that will make the reserve.  I think the bidding may depend on how often the smaller engine size comes up in the comments.


https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1979-mini-mark-iv/


24 hours to go and the reserve has been removed on this Mini.  I think that will get the ball rolling and it might sell for $15K-$16K.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on September 28, 2017, 04:40:04 PM
And now there is another Mini from Greece on BAT.    This is like the 3rd one in as many weeks.

It may be from the 70s, but this one screams the 90s with all the updates.  Said to have been completely refurbished.   Looks to be clean and well-built and very well presented with great photos.   The tan interior looks very nice.  For all the money that must have been spent on it, I wonder why they stuck with a 998 engine instead of a 1275?

Since it's far away in Greece that will put some people off, but I'm guessing someone will bid about $13K-$14K for it.    Not sure if that will make the reserve.  I think the bidding may depend on how often the smaller engine size comes up in the comments.


https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1979-mini-mark-iv/


24 hours to go and the reserve has been removed on this Mini.  I think that will get the ball rolling and it might sell for $15K-$16K.

I was waaay off the mark.  Just sold for a fantastic price of $10,500. 
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on September 28, 2017, 04:52:00 PM
I think the biggest problem with this car is the location and the cost to get it here.....
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on October 07, 2017, 07:06:39 PM
Nice Mk. I Cooper S from Australia on BAT. 

Difficult to tell how an auction will turn out, but since it's a real S, I'm guessing it's going to go for about the mid-$30K range.  Maybe more?   

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1968-morris-mini-cooper-s-2/


Mark, looks like it has that funky headliner style like yours - nothing like an English Mk. I or Mk. II headliner.   More like a Mk. III style.  Definitely a unique Oz feature.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: gr8kornholio on October 09, 2017, 05:59:43 AM
Yea, just hope the one from newton interiors is correct.  It claims to be the Australian MK1.  Fingers crossed when I order it.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on October 09, 2017, 06:53:52 AM
What are you referring to on the headliner, looked like a normal MkI to me, what am I missing?
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on October 09, 2017, 08:12:22 AM
What are you referring to on the headliner, looked like a normal MkI to me, what am I missing?

Not the material, but the shape of it.  A 'normal' English headliner sits above the cant rail, with painted metal visible just below the headliner.  And it's easily removable in a front and rear framed piece.  But apparently the Oz Minis had a headliner shape more like a Mk. III that come down further and was held in by the windows.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on October 11, 2017, 04:46:52 PM
The Cooper S from Oz is up to $17K with two full days remaining.   It's not totally stock, but nobody is throwing rocks at it, so the auction is going well. 
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on October 11, 2017, 05:07:40 PM
Not on BAT, but local to me.  Looks to be a Japanese-spec Mini with a/c   4.gif  and an automatic    :-[       Not inexpensive either.

https://dallas.craigslist.org/ftw/cto/d/1976-austin-morris-mini-cooper/6341131603.html

(https://images.craigslist.org/00B0B_2VOzCmp4Ugq_1200x900.jpg)
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on October 11, 2017, 05:19:24 PM
a 1976 like mine's a 72  :D

sure sits up high in front, looks like 14" wheels!
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on October 11, 2017, 09:52:40 PM
And now for something completely different.....our own Larry H commented extensively on this the last time it showed up on BaT, 3 years ago.....if only it had a few more lights.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1966-wolseley-hornet-mkii/ (https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1966-wolseley-hornet-mkii/)

(https://bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/247_main_l-940x624.jpg)
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on October 12, 2017, 06:58:40 AM
Wonder what it would cost to remove every single thing on it made after 1975. 
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on October 12, 2017, 09:31:57 AM
The last time it was on BaT in 2014, it didn't have any of the "extras", it had a white roof, chrome arches, 12" wheels, and no lights. I can't say all the extra stuff has helped the looks with the possible exception of the black roof - I think that looks smart on this car.

The inside boot pics are interesting - the extra length really shows up there.....this is the only pic I could find.

(https://bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/Other_Makes_1966_Wolseley_Hornet_Similar_to_Classic_Mini_eBay_1414307153.jpg)

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on October 13, 2017, 12:00:09 PM
The Aussie Mini is at $17,500 with 5 hours to go, wonder where it will wind up? One guy is saying that it would be cheaper and easier to buy this one and take it back to Oz than finding a nice one there.......
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on October 13, 2017, 05:22:53 PM
The Aussie Mini is at $17,500 with 5 hours to go, wonder where it will wind up? One guy is saying that it would be cheaper and easier to buy this one and take it back to Oz than finding a nice one there.......

Reserve Not Met at just over $20K.    And rightly so IMO.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on October 18, 2017, 09:53:21 AM
Today is the final day for the Wolsley, MiniGuy has been in there bidding consistently....I think he smells a deal and that the car will sell cheaply - he may be right.

The car has plenty of things going for it and not too many screw-ups that can't be fixed fairly easily, but it is a 998 and you have to like the styling - which I've never been able to get around myself......still, it could turn out to be a good buy. I wonder if MiniGuy would turn around a few months later and sell it on BaT again like Mike Malamut did with his?
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on October 18, 2017, 10:20:41 AM
Today is the final day for the Wolsley, MiniGuy has been in there bidding consistently....I think he smells a deal and that the car will sell cheaply - he may be right.

The car has plenty of things going for it and not too many screw-ups that can't be fixed fairly easily, but it is a 998 and you have to like the styling - which I've never been able to get around myself......still, it could turn out to be a good buy. I wonder if MiniGuy would turn around a few months later and sell it on BaT again like Mike Malamut did with his?

I doubt that.  Last I looked he is consignment only - the other business model he tried 15+ years ago where he owned inventory did not work.

Nothing against the Guy personally, but last time I looked he has bid on something like 50 (!) cars on BAT, and won exactly zero cars at auction.  Easy to accomplish if your bids have never come close to approaching the true selling value of the cars.   

He always drops out of bidding well before the final bids. Sure, maybe he just wants to snag a bargain.  Who doesn't?  But at some point you have to ask does he really want to own the cars he is bidding on?  I think not.  I believe his bidding is simply a tactic to appear as an interested, involved party so he can later drop some not too subtle comments that always include references to both his business and his website.   

It is easy to forget that he is a direct competitor to BAT.  He is effectively prospecting for business right under their noses. 
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: gr8kornholio on October 30, 2017, 12:01:44 PM
Just popped up on BaT, and I got to answer a technical question thanks to the knowledge learned from this awesome crowd. 

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1974-innocenti-cooper-1300/
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on October 30, 2017, 05:24:09 PM
"dents are present from the roof hitting the ceiling of the sellerís garage while the car was one a lift."

Ha! I never heard of such a thing!   ::)
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on October 30, 2017, 06:25:29 PM
There is sort of a Mini Moke on BAT, and it makes Michael's bad bodied-Moke look good.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1967-austin-mini-moke/

In 5+ years I have never posted negative comments about a car being auctioned on BAT before, but this one made me do it.  It's a mess.  I've got a feeling I might get flagged as non-constructive, so I'll include my comments here in case they get disappeared.

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While I appreciate this vehicle was apparently brought back from the dead, the result is so umÖ custom, Iím not sure itís correct to still call it a Mini Moke. To the trained eye, (former Moke owner here) I can see that nearly all body panels are completely different from those as it was originally built. The nose is wrong, the back is wrong, the sides are wrong, the bumpers are wrong, and the dash is really wrong. The good news is that Moke body panels, and even a complete replacement Moke body is available from a supplier in the UK, but the costs of throwing this body away and changing it over back to original spec will likely be more than the auction reserve will permit.

And Holy crazy engine-steady, Batman! Iíve got a feeling that was done when it was on Catalina just to keep it on the road and earning rental fees Ė as was the interesting welding on the firewall. Iím guessing whoever did the bodywork didnít know what to do with it and just left it intact. Not sure where the 14″ wheel information comes from but it is way off Ė this car is definitely wearing 10″ wheels.

I guess if you want something Moke-like this is the vehicle for you.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on October 30, 2017, 07:19:25 PM
Good point on the trophies, cornholio....that's some nice hardware (glassware?)
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MPlayle on October 30, 2017, 07:29:48 PM
I tend to agree with Bruce about the "Moke".  At least mine retained the side cubbies.

No undercarriage pictures to see what that side of the floors look like, nor how the subframe mounts are.

They picked a strange place to put the temperature sensor - in the heater port near #4 cylinder.

The wiring is a bit wonky too.

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on October 30, 2017, 07:54:38 PM
On the temp sensor tap I expect they didn't have a heater, since it was used indoors?
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MPlayle on October 30, 2017, 08:58:44 PM
The factory locations for a temperature sensor are either the thermostat housing in in the head just below the thermostat housing.

If it came from the factory without a heater, the heater port would not have been drilled out.  To put the temperature sensor there, they would have had to drill and tap that port.

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on October 31, 2017, 08:25:52 AM

They picked a strange place to put the temperature sensor - in the heater port near #4 cylinder.


How about that engine steady mounted in front of the first spark plug?   :-[
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MPlayle on October 31, 2017, 09:14:52 AM
I had to study a couple of the pictures to figure that one out.  They made a bracket that uses two of the head studs above #1 to hold it in place.  It does seem to be overkill.

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on October 31, 2017, 01:11:34 PM
I had to study a couple of the pictures to figure that one out.  They made a bracket that uses two of the head studs above #1 to hold it in place.  It does seem to be overkill.
I rented a Moke on Catalina Island about 1990.  It was so beat up, so worn out, that I was amazed it still drove.  Because the engine mounts were shot, and the upper engine steady was completely missing (!), they had crudely cut the firewall away so the carb would not bang against it as the engine rocked back and forth!  Their only concern was keeping the Mokes earning rental income.   
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Willie_B on October 31, 2017, 02:27:38 PM
The Catalina Moke in my basement is a rusted hulk. Would not drive it past the end of the street. It's upper steady is an engineering marvel also.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on October 31, 2017, 02:47:43 PM
I didn't know you have a Moke.   That engine steady in the photo looks like it was designed by the same guy.  Or maybe the same gorilla.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Willie_B on October 31, 2017, 03:35:47 PM
And if you look close in the photo you can see the spark plug they used in lower rad hose where the heater hose would go.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MPlayle on October 31, 2017, 04:58:26 PM
Brad,

No wonder you guys are watching my adventures with M-Parts and the new shell.  So many "hidden" Mokes waiting resurrection.

My new shell should be delivered tomorrow or Thursday at the latest.

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on November 10, 2017, 11:03:13 AM
Another Mini on BAT. 

This one is an automatic Mini (the first such one on BAT?) and while it looks like a very nice car with no major flaws, that transmission means for many people this is nothing more than just a rolling Mini bodyshell which will definitely need a different powerplant. 

Unless...  there is a very small market of people out there who'd love an automatic Mini and will consider the car ideal just as it is?   Does such a group exist?   People who can't/won't drive a manual transmission and always wanted a Mini?

My crazy guess is this will be bid up to perhaps $8-$10K.  Unless somebody just has to have it and it could go higher. 

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1982-mini-hle/

(https://bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/Screen-Shot-2017-11-09-at-11.06.08-AM-940x651.png)
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: 94touring on November 10, 2017, 11:08:34 AM
I Built an auto for a guy, so they exist.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on November 10, 2017, 11:40:28 AM
They sold the crap out of them in Japan......
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on November 10, 2017, 01:22:37 PM
The auction for the automatic Mini just took a turn. 

The seller just mentioned that he is offering a complete Mini engine with a manual transmission FREE to whomever buys this Mini.  That is sure to get more people interested because the car instantly becomes a DIY project in the minds of many.

The downside is the condition of the engine is unknown by the seller, (and the engine size too), but I suspect there will be a clamoring for photos of the just-mentioned engine so it can be dissected, probed and discussed at great length by the commenters staring at photos.   
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: jedduh01 on November 10, 2017, 01:24:41 PM
Guido's Wife Rhonnie has a Auto mini  and they've caravan'ed from Florida to NC and Back again with Full CMU event weekends under their belts.  They WILL work if you treat them right. She also knows how to wind it up and give em hell, Shes Fast in it... ! so ..  not a Traditional transmission to have in a mini but they do go fine!
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on November 10, 2017, 02:45:57 PM
The cool part about the Mini automatic (and probably the ONLY cool part about it) was that it was a 4 speed from the get go (1964 I think) in a time when most autos were 2 or at most 3 speeds. It actually performed pretty well, but did require more frequent oil changes. Like I said, they sold a metric ton of them to Japan.

You can buy parts for them and they're not any more complicated to work on than the manual IMHO.

Everyone is so fixed on a manual trans....much like the dislike for the Series II Jags....I don't understand either.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on November 10, 2017, 03:03:51 PM

Everyone is so fixed on a manual trans....much like the dislike for the Series II Jags....I don't understand either.

Yeah, that would be me.  I've never owned a car with an automatic.  (and I've never owned a Series II Jaguar either for that matter!)    ;D     

I realize at some point 'down the road' I may own a hybrid or electric car that of course would be an automatic by definition. But that's about the only way I can see myself owning one. 

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on November 10, 2017, 03:34:08 PM
Isn't your Infiniti an auto trans?
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on November 10, 2017, 03:56:36 PM
Isn't your Infiniti an auto trans?
What Infiniti?

Oh... you mean my wife's car.   ;D 

Yup, that's a fancy-ass 7-speed automatic that takes what seems like several long seconds to kickdown in a passing situation.    It's definitely tuned for cruising.  But it does turn a low 2,800 rpm at 80mph IIRC.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on November 10, 2017, 04:15:44 PM
wife's car.......OK....... ;D

I am all for personal choice, but I don't understand people who say they "hate" this or that car because of the headlights or something.......oh well.

Although I can genuinely say I hate the front end of the new Lexus - period!   ;D

I fully understand that some auto trans are not very "sporty", but I really like the one in my MINI and don't condemn them all for the sins of one, and most modern auto transmissions are extremely good, and actually quicker than their stick counterparts - and get better fuel mileage. In most driving situations today an auto is the right choice, when you're driving the Dragon maybe a stick is more fun, but going down the interstate - does it really matter?

That's part of why my hot rod Eco-Mini will have a 6 speed automatic.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on November 11, 2017, 08:50:22 AM
Another Mini has just popped up on BAT.  This one is an true Mk. I Cooper S and it falls somewhere between original and restored.  Well, it's closer to original except that it has been repainted.  But the original interior is pretty well worn and the engine compartment looks like the engine compartment of the 52 year old car that it is.  And there is a photo showing some rust at the bottom of a door. Rust on a Mini never makes anybody feed good.  Plus, somebody has overtightened a door hinge causing the body to deform.   

So those people that favor the current fad (?) of o-r-i-g-i-n-a-l  won't be totally happy with it, and other people who would like an old car to look as close as possible to factory-fresh (is that an older fad?) won't be happy either.

This Mini has just come out of long-term storage and it runs, but it's not really clear how much mechanical work, if any, may be needed.  Right now, there are no underbody photos (how is it that BAT accepts cars for auction without such photos?) and that in some ways could be telling.  It's only 1 day into the auction and things can take strange turns with the commenting audience on BAT -- especially since the issue of rust is unknown.  But since it's real Cooper S, and a Mk. I at that, I think this car will attract a lot of attention.  Let's say it's not "too" rusty - it could go for $30K or more.  Hard to guess until the mystery of the possible rust issues is addressed.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1965-austin-mini-cooper-s-2/

(https://bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/D8989707-6E1A-40B5-8421-B6797920546B-940x702.jpeg)
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on November 11, 2017, 10:44:57 AM
Remember the white one that started the stupidity on BaT - went for like $54K.....didn't run, needed body work, interior, engine o'haul etc etc etc?

This one says the sills were replaced when it was painted. Did these come from the factory with 7'5" discs? I thought they had 7", my '62 did anyway. Maybe that's just BaT incorrect info again.......

I wonder if this one will stay here or go back to Europe?

After one day......current bid $16,500.    8.gif

BTW, I thought I recognized the address, and the seller - this is Mike Bernard - the last car he sold on BaT was the red Mini I was supposed to bring to Ca for Mike Malamut. That car was a  much nicer car and sold for about what this one is bid now.

I also wonder if this one will drag the price of the automatic up with it?
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MPlayle on November 11, 2017, 11:21:32 AM
Dave,

One of the differences between the Cooper and Cooper-S was the disk brake size.  The Cooper models had the 7" disks and the Cooper-S models had the larger 7.5" disks.

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on November 11, 2017, 11:46:22 AM
Early Cooper S had 7" discs, mine did anyway........
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on November 11, 2017, 12:19:25 PM
Early Cooper S had 7" discs, mine did anyway........
Dave is it possible you are not remembering it correctly?   If your car had 7" disc brakes and was a 1962 model, it must have been a 997 Mini Cooper - or a bitsa Mini.  It could not have been a 1962 Cooper S.   

The S model of the Cooper line was not introduced until March of 1963 when the 1071 S was launched.  A full year later, in March of 1964, two new Cooper S models were launched, the 1275 S and the 970 S which was basically built for 'under 1 liter' racing homologation.  And just 5 months later, in August 1964, the 1071 S was discontinued.   The run of the 970 S was even shorter - it lasted just 9 months because it was dropped in January 1965. 

And in the non-S Cooper world, the 997 Cooper was replaced by the 998 Cooper in January 1964.  Just 1cc bigger, but with an entirely different bore and stroke.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on November 11, 2017, 01:16:55 PM
Mine was a German export 1071 Cooper S, with the 7" discs and dry suspension.....it was titled as a '62, that's all I know.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on November 13, 2017, 01:09:16 PM
A tale of two Minis on BAT.

Bidding (and comments) on the automatic Mini on BAT have kinda of stalled after some not-so-favorable discussions of issues with automatic Minis.  The seller is not doing himself any favors by not yet posting photos of the free engine with manual transmission (which is sort of the solution those who don't want an automatic Mini will look for).   I get the feeling the seller has given up and is just waiting for the auction to end at RNM.

The Cooper S, even with some additional rust disclosed, jumped quickly up into the low $20Ks now and there seems to be some interest from the UK - which nearly always means big £££ for Mk. I cars.  But the rebuilt engine with no ID numbers can hurt it in the eyes of the purists.   

I'm getting popcorn ready...
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on November 13, 2017, 01:53:42 PM
If they have the original numbers via Heritage Certificate, what's to stop someone from having a plate made up and riveting it on to this engine? The plates and rivets are readily available and it's easy to get one embossed (instead of stamped) the same way the factory did it.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: gr8kornholio on November 13, 2017, 03:08:07 PM
If the plate is missing is there another way to determine it's the original engine?
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on November 13, 2017, 03:43:17 PM
If the plate is missing is there another way to determine it's the original engine?

Not that I know of.  The truth is that a Cooper S engine sitting in a mostly original Cooper S car is almost surely the one it was built with.  Both of those items are pretty rare and valuable and they are not often separated. 

In my experience once an engine is disassembled and dropped in the tank to ďboil it outĒ before a rebuild the flimsy aluminum engine tag just falls apart.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on November 13, 2017, 03:55:14 PM
Dead right, it just melts it away. If they didn't save it ahead of time it's lost.....so make up a new one and off you go. I know people insist that it have the engine that came with the car, but over the decades many were changed out when they needed to be rebuilt.....at this point in time how would anyone know?

As long as it has the "right" engine, how would anyone ever know? Much ado about nothing IMHO.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on November 16, 2017, 05:09:14 PM
Another Mini on BAT. 

This one is an automatic Mini (the first such one on BAT?) and while it looks like a very nice car with no major flaws, that transmission means for many people this is nothing more than just a rolling Mini bodyshell which will definitely need a different powerplant. 

Unless...  there is a very small market of people out there who'd love an automatic Mini and will consider the car ideal just as it is?   Does such a group exist?   People who can't/won't drive a manual transmission and always wanted a Mini?

My crazy guess is this will be bid up to perhaps $8-$10K.  Unless somebody just has to have it and it could go higher. 

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1982-mini-hle/


Just sold for $8,500.     I wonder if it will stay an automatic or receive a transplant?
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on November 16, 2017, 05:23:41 PM
Seems like a fair price for it - nice car to build on if they decide too. Most people use their cars so little that to me the auto is not a hindrance - if all you're doing is running around town and going to local car shows - why bother changing it?

Did you see the new one today?

The almond green Cooper S should be interesting - I swear I saw a lot of blue smoke out the tail pipe on one of the vids he posted.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on November 16, 2017, 05:45:31 PM
Deja vu all over again.

This Mk. I Mini went Reserve Not Met at under $10K about 7 months ago on BAT.   Now it's had a few updates since then and it is being listed again.   

It is very much a bitsa Mini, it looks pretty nice in a rarely-seen color.  But the underside is kind of beat up. 

BAT is listing it as a "1962 Austin Mini Cooper Mk1 1275cc" but without a real VIN nobody really can tell what it started life as.  A full front skirt points to it being an early Mk. I - if that panel is original to the car.   

Since it's a Mk. I, that adds some intrinsic value as does having a 1275 engine and upgraded disc brakes.  My wild guess is this will be bid for $13K - $15K  - no idea if it will be RNM again though...


https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1962-austin-mini-cooper-5/

(https://bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/IMG_0317-940x627.jpg)
 


Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: gr8kornholio on November 16, 2017, 07:07:50 PM
Idk, I think it looked better before. Itís just been boy racered up and served back up for sale. Wonder what he got it for after RNM.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on November 17, 2017, 08:54:03 AM
Well, today's the day to see what Mike Bernard's Cooper S goes for......it's at $23,500 as of 9am. and getting a lot of positive comments from the cognoscenti.....my comment about the blue smoke was brushed aside as nothing more than valve stem seals, although to me that means at least a valve job - cause if you're going to fix those you might as well put the hardened seats in and so on. He says it has really good compression so he may be right about the stem seals - looked like more than that to me tho.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on November 17, 2017, 09:50:52 AM
Yeah, that auction seems to have a little momentum now after stalling for five days.  I think it could go for the mid-30s to the low 40s.   The paint looks way off to me Ė it does not look like proper Almond Green when it was repainted.  And the rust issue seems to be confined to where the bottom of a seat tube beat up the floor.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on November 17, 2017, 02:53:02 PM
Yeah, that auction seems to have a little momentum now after stalling for five days.  I think it could go for the mid-30s to the low 40s.   The paint looks way off to me Ė it does not look like proper Almond Green when it was repainted.  And the rust issue seems to be confined to where the bottom of a seat tube beat up the floor.

And it's gone!   It was at $23K and then there was a whole lot of last minute bidding (is there really any other kind of bidding?) with the bids jumping rapidly. 

This Mk. I Cooper S sold for $43,000.   At the high end of the range right where I thought it would be. 
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on November 17, 2017, 03:06:30 PM
Well, at least it runs, unlike that white one that went for $54K......still.........
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on November 17, 2017, 03:19:06 PM
Well, at least it runs, unlike that white one that went for $54K......still.........


Yeah, that non-running one was crazy.   So what do you think this one was worth?
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on November 17, 2017, 04:00:07 PM
As nice as it was, it still needed a lot of work, I have a hard time justifying any of these cars over $15-20K. Clearly the market disagrees with my thinking...... ::) ;D
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on November 17, 2017, 05:42:27 PM
As nice as it was, it still needed a lot of work, I have a hard time justifying any of these cars over $15-20K. Clearly the market disagrees with my thinking...... ::) ;D

It is kinda crazy.   Like the prices for air-cooled 911s over the past several years.   
 
Its the magic and allure of a genuine vaunted Cooper S model.  A pragmatic person knows that a bitsa Mini with a 1275 and disc brakes can be made just as 'good' as Cooper S (and could easily be better) but the Cooper S mystique easily doubles the value over a similar Mini without the pedigree.  Doesn't necessarily make sense, but so many things in the world don't make sense either -- this is just one that we can watch. 

Hey, aren't you a Rolex owner?   How does the value of them make any sense?
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on November 17, 2017, 06:42:23 PM
Audi gave me mine - well they gave me a Sub Mariner and I paid the difference to get the Oyster. At the time it was part of my "uniform" as a general manager of a Porsche dealership.....along with my YSL 3 piece suit.

But I get your point.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on November 17, 2017, 06:56:54 PM
 Iíve heard that if you walk into a Porsche dealership the first thing the sales people do is look at your shoes to determine if they are stupidly expensive Italian loafers or not.  If they are, youíve passed the first hurdle as a potential customer. 77.gif
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on November 17, 2017, 07:13:47 PM
Believe it or not, that's pretty much right.....my boss taught me that.

Same when you interview (not the stupid expensive part) clean, polished shoes say a lot about the man. Of course today everyone will interview in a T-shirt and shorts and flip flops.

But in the 80's, looking successful was very much a part of being successful.....at least in sales.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: 94touring on November 17, 2017, 07:40:05 PM
It's still important in the airline world, at least for pilots. 
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on November 20, 2017, 05:34:53 PM
Deja vu all over again.

This Mk. I Mini went Reserve Not Met at under $10K about 7 months ago on BAT.   Now it's had a few updates since then and it is being listed again.   

It is very much a bitsa Mini, it looks pretty nice in a rarely-seen color.  But the underside is kind of beat up. 

BAT is listing it as a "1962 Austin Mini Cooper Mk1 1275cc" but without a real VIN nobody really can tell what it started life as.  A full front skirt points to it being an early Mk. I - if that panel is original to the car.   

Since it's a Mk. I, that adds some intrinsic value as does having a 1275 engine and upgraded disc brakes.  My wild guess is this will be bid for $13K - $15K  - no idea if it will be RNM again though...


https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1962-austin-mini-cooper-5/


Poof!   The auction has been canceled.   The "Seller" sold the Mini behind BAT's back in a side deal. If he's capable of that, who knows if the car was represented honestly or not?

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on November 20, 2017, 05:46:01 PM
And just like that, another Mini appears on BAT.

This one is a Woody with a little bit too much customization for my tastes.   Could possibly go for the mid-teens, but not sure about rust on this one yet.


https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1963-austin-mini-countryman-2/

(https://bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/whole-pside-940x627.jpg)

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on November 22, 2017, 02:09:30 PM
And the hits keep coming with another Mini being auctioned on BAT. 

This Innocenti looks very nice and original.  But the photos are not very good and there are not too many of them either.   I wonder what exactly goes through seller's minds -- don't they want to present the car in its best light?  (I'm being figurative and literal here!)  More photos are always better.  Perhaps BAT should just tell sellers to include under-car shots when the car is listed instead of invariably waiting halfway through an auction for the seller to reluctantly add them? 

This Mini is a 850, so that will turn some people away, but it sure looks clean and complete with no major flaws from what I can see so far.  It should appeal to both British and Italian car fans.  My guess is this could go for $12K - $14K if there is enough interest and some better photos appear.   


https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1970-innocenti-mini/

(https://bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/Screen-Shot-2017-11-16-at-11.40.13-AM-940x666.png)
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on November 27, 2017, 03:36:27 PM
And just like that, another Mini appears on BAT.

This one is a Woody with a little bit too much customization for my tastes.   Could possibly go for the mid-teens, but not sure about rust on this one yet.


https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1963-austin-mini-countryman-2/


With a few hard-to-see images of the bottom, apparently the rust (or not) issue was not a concern to the bidders on this car.   It was who bid up to $12,500 where it was Reserve Not Met.     Had it been better presented and without the mickey mouse things like the Mini badge on the a-pillar and the headlight lids, I think it would have done better.


Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on November 27, 2017, 04:36:42 PM
Jet Motors bid it all the way up to $12,250...... they musta thought it was worth $15 too - retail.

Those headlight lids and Mini emblem are easily removed, I can't believe they kept it from selling.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on November 28, 2017, 02:35:55 PM
And the hits keep coming with another Mini being auctioned on BAT. 

This Innocenti looks very nice and original.  But the photos are not very good and there are not too many of them either.   I wonder what exactly goes through seller's minds -- don't they want to present the car in its best light?  (I'm being figurative and literal here!)  More photos are always better.  Perhaps BAT should just tell sellers to include under-car shots when the car is listed instead of invariably waiting halfway through an auction for the seller to reluctantly add them? 

This Mini is a 850, so that will turn some people away, but it sure looks clean and complete with no major flaws from what I can see so far.  It should appeal to both British and Italian car fans.  My guess is this could go for $12K - $14K if there is enough interest and some better photos appear.   



Reserve Not Met at $10K.   Thatís not surprising as it is definitely worth more than that - itís a very nice, rare, and original Mini.   But I would have thought the bidding would be higher.   The brown color and the 850 engine perhaps were factors?
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on November 28, 2017, 05:09:46 PM
Yep, I think the color and the 850 definitely hurt it.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on November 28, 2017, 05:50:10 PM
It was a lot nicer car than the woody.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on December 06, 2017, 08:12:33 AM
A 1988 Japanese spec Mini is now on BaT with a 998, 10Ē wheels and no a/c.   

Still early and lots of comments on the auction still to come, but my guess is that it could go for $12K - $14K unless something derails it.  Like the fact this car is still in Japan ó but the sale includes shipping to a port in the US.   That will scare some people off. 


https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1988-rover-mini-1000/
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on December 06, 2017, 09:48:54 AM
I dunno, I see a lot of negatives on this one, not the least of which the white driver's seat. But we'll see where it goes....oh, and a single throat downdraft weber carb? Wonder what that's off of?
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MPlayle on December 06, 2017, 11:17:20 AM
It looks more like a dual throat side-draft carb to me.  I would think perhaps too much carb for a 998.

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on December 06, 2017, 11:59:11 AM
Watching the video, needs second gear synchro, no easy job on these.....needs a new headliner, it has the usual glue permeating the headliner...no fix for that but to replace it which requires glass out. That seat is terrible, even the seller admits it.....but for a 998 rust free car that seems to run pretty nicely I think it should be a sub - $10K car. Don't know if it will sell for that tho....

The guy sounds like Alonso to me    ;D
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on December 06, 2017, 01:42:27 PM

The guy sounds like Alonso to me    ;D

Except for the French accent!     ;D
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on December 11, 2017, 05:32:19 PM
Wowzers!!  The JDM Mini sitting in Japan sold on BaT for just $6400 - half of what I thought it would go for.   Even with the shot 2nd gear syncros the buyer got a fantastic deal and apparently the import process did not scare him off.    I would have thought the reserve was at least $9K or $10K.

Good to see that bargains are to be had.   
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on December 11, 2017, 06:04:59 PM
If he has to pay someone to do the transmission repairs and the headliner........I think he did just OK. If he can do the repairs himself, then maybe it was a better deal.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on December 11, 2017, 06:24:57 PM
Well the new owner could just live with both.  Ignore the headliner (or leave intact and use vinyl paint) and double clutch and shift slow when going into 2nd ...
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on December 11, 2017, 07:31:47 PM
I suppose, it crunched pretty bad going into 2nd tho......
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on December 12, 2017, 10:40:13 PM
A Mk. I Cooper S has been listed on BaT.   This one runs, but is going to take a whole lot of work to restore, both in body, suspension, and especially trim and paint.

I was so wrong about the winning price of the last Mini on BaT, I don't think I'll hazard a guess on this one.   What is interesting is that this is a No Reserve auction, so who knows what will happen in the next 7 days?

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1965-austin-mini-cooper-s-3/

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Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on December 13, 2017, 09:29:34 AM
Boy howdy, this one needs everything - a total resto, no halfway here.......do you all think it will break $20K? Cause really, all that's here is a shell, a vin and a rebuildable engine and gearbox, it needs a complete interior, rust repairs, suspension (hydro too) and so on.......
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on December 13, 2017, 10:08:17 AM
Before I agree that it has a VIN, Iíd like to see a photo of the plate itself.  I donít doubt itís a real Cooper S.  However, itís probably unlikely, but as we know sometimes VINs go to live another life in a different bodyshell. The auction seems to be focusing on the body number (mentioned and included in a photo) which of course means nothing at all.  It is possible to request a heritage certificate using the VIN based upon old paperwork so the fact it has one of those doesnít mean anything.  Of course I may just be acting paranoid about this.


My guess is that it will go somewhere in the mid teens to low 20s.   The fact that it is a running car helps because people can visualize being able to drive it before they restore it.  The no reserve auction is a wildcard -  and it could really get some people starry-eyed about obtaining a real Cooper S. 
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MPlayle on December 13, 2017, 02:03:49 PM
The BMHT certificate includes the body number.  The picture of the certificate shows the same body number as they are showing on the car.

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on December 13, 2017, 02:48:32 PM
The BMHT certificate includes the body number.  The picture of the certificate shows the same body number as they are showing on the car.
Oh, I understand that.   

What I am saying is the actual VIN plate is not (yet) shown.   Where is it?  The likely answer is that is right were it should be - next to the radiator.  But that's a big assumption until they show it.  I mean it is possible that that VIN plate has gone elsewhere to live a life with another bodyshell.    In the meantime, it is kinda stupid for the auction to focus on the not-very-important-at-all body number.  After all, that is not what is used to register or insure a car.  So...why wouldn't there be a photo of the VIN plate in the 100+ photos included is what I'm saying.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on December 13, 2017, 09:12:27 PM
Well now there is a photo of the VIN plate (painted over), so I was concerned about nothing. 
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on December 15, 2017, 12:59:03 PM
I was questioning the look of the body number not the authenticity of it more the fact that it was flush with the front panel and should have been spot welded on top of it. Well the owner took a sander to it and it appears as i thought to have been filled in and smoothed out at some point in it's life why who knows. The owner also took a picture underneath where the body number attaches and it looks factory.
There are so many fake S re bodied cars out there you have  to be careful but this one looks to be 100% Cooper S unlike  another S that sold and was re bodied but never mentioned during the sale.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on December 19, 2017, 02:40:24 PM
The no-reserve tatty Mk. I Cooper S just sold for $26,750.   

That's pretty high in my opinion for a car that would conservatively need at least another $15K to $20K in parts, and labor, and paint to restore to its original form.  Perhaps more.   

And then everyone would complain the finished result was not really original.   ;D

Sounded like the seller was getting pretty nervous in recent days about the decision go offer it at no-reserve.  But I think it worked out well for him in the end. 
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on December 19, 2017, 02:54:21 PM
Wow.......I guess it worked out OK!

Didn't that nice almond green car bring about that same money, and it was a nice, running, driving car!
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on December 19, 2017, 06:02:31 PM
Yeah.  Iíd say there was about a $20K premium based upon the Cooper S ďmystiqueĒ.

If that was a bitsa Mini in that same condition, say a Mk. I with a 1275, it would struggle to make $10K. 

I say we are heading down the same inexplicable path that prices of air-cooled Porsches have taken in the past several years.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on December 19, 2017, 09:58:34 PM
Yep....they really took me to task over my 970 comment......of course, I had it dead wrong too. Shows what I know!   ;D
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on December 19, 2017, 10:13:49 PM
And like clockwork, there's now another Mini on BaT. 

And it is another Mk. I Cooper S.  At least it used to be one.  It has moved far from what it once was and is now a real bitsa Mini with almost nothing remaining the same on the car. 

If it was a plain old Mini it might be worth $8K on a good day.  It will be interesting to see what premium is paid for it since it started life as a Cooper S.   Because, like the last Cooper S on BaT, this one would take at least $15K-$20K to return it to 'stock'. 

Very weirdly it has a Heritage certificate indicating it is an Austin, but the VIN starts with a K as used for Morris Coopers.  Strange.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1966-morris-mini-cooper-s-italian-delivery/

(https://13252-presscdn-0-94-pagely.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/5a396475314ab_IMG_3116-620x465.jpg)




Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on December 19, 2017, 10:48:51 PM
Bring a trailer,  indeed.....
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on December 20, 2017, 05:51:39 AM
Iíve got a strange feeling this auction might be canceled before it completes...
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on December 20, 2017, 10:07:18 AM
Yeah, it's not a problem to sell a car with a changed vin tag (at least here in the middle country), but at least be honest about it.......you and the other experts have pretty much sussed this one out.....if he doesn't come clean I agree, it should be cancelled.

Trying to sell a Mk2/3 Inno is OK, with prices going the way they are just don't try to call it a Mk1 Cooper S, you'll get caught every time on BaT!   ;D

My problem with BaT these days is how many of the cars are showing up again after a year or less of ownership, it's starting to look like Mecum, with the same few guys trading the cars and ratcheting up the value
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on December 20, 2017, 01:53:51 PM
With nearly all evidence pointing to a re-VIN of an Mk II Innocenti Mini, the seller still maintains it's a real Cooper S that just happens to have been converted to an Innocenti dash, heater, switches, large Innocenti pedals including special floor-mounted gas pedal, steering column with ignition switch, mirror, seat belts, complete Innocenti wiring system, wiper motor, dual-circuit master brake cylinder, steering wheel, washer bottle, brake booster, Innocenti boot lid and badging, Innocenti front indicator lenses and side repeater lenses, unique Innocenti sliding glass doors with forward-mounted door pulls, Innocenti oil cooler, Mk. II style rear lights, and no evidence it was ever a Hydrolastic car, or had a boot board.

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on December 20, 2017, 02:04:39 PM
Yeah........right!  ;D

If the tail lights for example were "upgraded" to the MkII style, wouldn't there be evidence of that in those rear panels - at least visible from the inside? I love how he says the correct panels are included if someone wants to change them back..... ::)
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: velopackrat on December 20, 2017, 04:01:29 PM
Agreed,  this one is a messy riddle. 

Bruce, take another look at the pics beneath the shell by the rear sub frame.  Did all Mk 1/2's have those "hydro tabs" welded underneath?  I was under the impression only hydro cars had them but I don't know with certainty.  Looks like the battery cable was routed where the right side hydro pipes would have been.

BTW, I've made the changes to my car that you suggested:)  Hubcaps, choke cable, removed switch extension and shifter extension.  Still trying to get up the courage to go forward but plan to do so in a month or two.

Chris
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on December 20, 2017, 05:30:13 PM
Agreed,  this one is a messy riddle. 

Bruce, take another look at the pics beneath the shell by the rear sub frame.  Did all Mk 1/2's have those "hydro tabs" welded underneath?  I was under the impression only hydro cars had them but I don't know with certainty.  Looks like the battery cable was routed where the right side hydro pipes would have been.

BTW, I've made the changes to my car that you suggested:)  Hubcaps, choke cable, removed switch extension and shifter extension.  Still trying to get up the courage to go forward but plan to do so in a month or two.

Chris

Hi Chris.  Good eye.  I missed those tabs - so it does look like a hydrolastic shell.  And I can see a glimpse of a boot board support in the shot of the taillight aperture.  More mystery and contradiction. 


Lot's of confusion and misdirection and puzzles on this Mini (whether intentional or not).  Nothing like your Cooper S which I'm sure will receive a much less contentious reception from the assembled masses should you decide to put it on BaT.

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MPlayle on December 20, 2017, 09:31:07 PM
A few of things to keep in mind: When were the Inno parts added?  Where did the car supposedly come from? (Italy)  What might the "upgrade" fad of that day entailed doing to your Mini?

<Rant>
The shell has a number of clear indicators of having started out as a non-Inno (or CKD) Cooper-S (boot board mounts, right hand tank factory mounts, hydro mounts).

The Inno 6-gauge cluster was available as an aftermarket upgrade back in the 70's and 80's.  The "upgrade fashions were vastly different back then versus what they are now.

Got your boot lid damaged and want/prefer the Inno look, buy a replacement Inno bootlid and mount.  What about those folks today that like the carbon fiber stuff?  Does swapping to that suddenly make the car no longer what it started as?  What about liking the Aussie wind-up window doors that fit the UK external hinge Minis - such as the pickup and Van?  (For a short while I owned a later year UK pickup that had been "upgraded" by the previous owner to Aussie doors - did that suddenly make it an Aussie pickup?  Bruce may also know of that pickup as it used to be Skip's and is now Jim's in Florida.)

Yes, someone at some point in time went to a lot of effort to turn their Mini (not caring that it was an 'S' and probably not expecting that to mean much of anything at the time) into an attempted Inno clone.  My guess is the "cloning" effort was done a long time ago when it was thought to be just another Mini.  BMHT is not infallible and may have messed up the Austin-vs-Morris bit.  In today's Mini community, it seems the preference has shifted to demanding originality and proof and it is showing its bad side on this auction.  The seller seems to be doing a decent job of finding the details on the car to support the original claim of model, yet folks are being real adamant the BAT take down the listing.

The owner seem to be admiting, it was once a Cooper-S, but is now a "bitsa" Inno clone.  Why can't that be accepted?

<End Rant>

PS> My Moke's original rear subframe had hydro mounts on the cross members - common component in assembling the rear subframes.  The bag/cone seats were different, but the rest of the basic subframe was common.  The replacement rear subframe actually still has part of the hydro mounts on the front cross member, but lacks the valve mounts on the rear cross member.

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: velopackrat on December 21, 2017, 10:12:21 AM
Michael, Bruce,

Hey, I'm with you on this.  BaT posters seem to be a nasty lot.  And they state B.S. as if it were fact.  In regard to this car, what are guys seeing in those photos that identifies the rear glass as Mk2?  Not to doubt them bacause I'm asking more for my own understanding.  It looks like Mk1 rear glass to me.  Doors?  Mk1.  And were these "improvements" done recently?  No, of course not.  They were done long ago.  And you said it, a Mini heads off to Italy where an owner maybe wanted to update his car to modern spec?  It's a riddle.  But so many of them are.  If only we all could stumble upon an unmolested original S in a barn down the block.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on December 21, 2017, 10:21:04 AM
Well, it could also work to the advantage of the ultimate buyer.....since this is a no reserve auction it may go pretty cheaply. But IMHO, it should anyway as it's just a conglomeration of parts, and making it into something worth big bux would take BIG BUX, but making it into a worthwhile Mini wouldn't be any worse than any other Mini that needed pretty much everything.......paint, interior, rust repairs, engine/trans build, brakes and on and on.....so what's it worth then?

Not much......to me.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on December 21, 2017, 10:41:17 AM


 In regard to this car, what are guys seeing in those photos that identifies the rear glass as Mk2?  Not to doubt them bacause I'm asking more for my own understanding.  It looks like Mk1 rear glass to me. 

Some observers are seeing the back window as being several inches wider than a Mk. I rear window, so the Mk. II style.  Personally, I can't tell.

Doors?  Mk1. 

Well, the doors have external hinges and sliding windows.  So Mk. I or Mk. II.   But it's not that simple since these are Innocenti doors with a interior door latch mounted up forward toward the dash similar to a door with a rollup window.   

This car may very well have started life back in 1966 as a genuine Mk. I Morris Cooper S, but over the past 51 years it's gone through some huge changes and it is so far removed now from a Cooper S it almost doesn't matter.   It's a now a non-running, incomplete bitsa car of indeterminate orgins, dressed up as an Italian Mini with some pretty big issues including a state title that does not agree with the car's VIN plate in make, model year, or even full VIN numbering. 

What is telling, in my opinion, is the way little bits of information and perhaps some truth are slowly dribbling out, bit by bit, from the seller.  I get the feeling he thought the auction process was going to be smooth sailing and perhaps it wasn't too important to represent all new knew about the car at the start of the auction?

The cynic in me says the value in the auction is in the Cooper S VIN which could be used as a recipe to build a Cooper S clone, and the VIN just happens to be offered along with a mish-mashed blue parts car and an engine.   But the BMIHT certificate doesn't match the VIN, and the title doesn't match the VIN either. 



Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MPlayle on December 21, 2017, 11:45:47 AM
I can see the issues both ways.  It has some remaining characteristics that give it a "chance" at real value, but also suffers all of the drawbacks of a serious "bitsa" project car.

Do I think it is worth true vintage 'S' prices?  No.  As Bruce and Dave say, it is now a conglomeration of parts somewhere between a vintage 'S' and a later Inno Cooper clone.

Do I think it deserves all the "hostile" criticizing and demands for pulling the listing?  No.  Honest, civil critiquing is proper but "slamming" is not.

Should the seller have provided better open disclosure from the start?  Yes.  Doing so would have probably avoided much of the "slamming".

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on December 21, 2017, 02:31:34 PM

Should the seller have provided better open disclosure from the start?  Yes.  Doing so would have probably avoided much of the "slamming".

Yes, it would have.  By not being upfront, it set that tone that the car was not being accurately represented.  In fact, the auction was originally titled as being for an Austin with references to Austin in the listing text, hence the first several comments pointing out it was a Morris VIN. It's my understanding that the Seller has final approval on the BaT auction text prior to going 'live', so that was blessed by the seller before the auction started.  (The auction references to Austin have since been removed). 

But once the die was cast that things were not as they were said to be, new information has been met with a great deal of skepticism.  And there is a snowball effect as inconsistencies build and omitted information is later revealed.   For example, the seller finally indicated that the state title is for a different make car (Austin vs. Morris), for a different year (1967 vs. 1966), and only lists six of the 12 characters on the VIN plate.    A Seller does not engender himself to potential buyers by withholding significant information like that. 

Once the auction audience feels fair play has not be observed and the car might not be represented accurately, they react.  Some nicer than others.

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on December 21, 2017, 04:15:39 PM


 In regard to this car, what are guys seeing in those photos that identifies the rear glass as Mk2?  Not to doubt them bacause I'm asking more for my own understanding.  It looks like Mk1 rear glass to me. 

Some observers are seeing the back window as being several inches wider than a Mk. I rear window, so the Mk. II style.  Personally, I can't tell.

Scratch that.  I took a deeper look and I can tell it's definitely a Mk. I bodyshell (and I added a comment stating so).   Taken with the hydro body tabs, boot board mounts, and RH tank brackets, adds more credence in the column that it is a genuine Cooper S that underwent some awful Frankenstein-like transformation to a pseudo-Innocenti.   
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MPlayle on December 21, 2017, 04:21:21 PM
True.  Your points are well made and appreciated.

After having seen others with questionable starts be treated well, the slamming tone of this one just struck me wrong.

I guess that since on the few other auctions I've watched the sellers were more responsive and proactive in getting any missing information and discrepancies corrected quickly, the audience was more forgiving.

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: velopackrat on December 21, 2017, 10:03:28 PM
My apology for beating an almost dead horse here but...  the Heritage certificate is puzzling to me because it cites 'Italy' for dealer delivery of this 1275 S that's LHD.  It's summer 1966 and BL has been shipping CKD 998 Minis to Italy for 3-4 months and yet some buyer in Italy has no qualms about ordering an expensive 1275 S and having it shipped or trucked over.  The question is, in what state of assembly?  I realize the Inno parts pictured are later, not Mk1 Inno spec.  Probably Mk3 Inno?  But all that swapping over?  A boatload of work for some Italian garage or dealer.  They must have had a totalled donor.
I'm purely curious as to how BL was selling cars then.  If you were an American and you ordered a LHD Cooper S to take home with you from the UK, the records said 'customer delivery'.  So why did this one say 'Italy'?  They never offered Innos in almond green with OEW roofs.  The white roof color was snowberry.  So I wonder which shade of white this roof is underneath that sweet metallic blue?

https://www.pressreader.com/australia/mini-magazine/20140926/282608851025404

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on December 22, 2017, 03:31:51 PM
Well, a possible scenario is that the Mini went to a US serviceman stationed in Italy at the time.  He would not have had to pay the very high import duty that Italian citizens did on a car imported from the UK.  And the buyer would have been able to get a real 1275 Cooper S built in Jolly Old England by the same blokes that the built rally winners rather than a car made by the Italians who were new to building Minis and didn't offer a Cooper S.   

At this point I'm in the camp (small that it is) which believes the car to be what the Seller claims - a real Cooper S that has been through some massive and stupid changes over the years. The thing that still boggles my mind is apparently somebody saw fit to work really hard to make it into an Innocenti clone.  Michael offers a good rationale about changing fashions and tastes that could account for that, but it still is crazy from our modern perspective.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on December 22, 2017, 04:39:13 PM
Nah, I'm not buying it....... ::)
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on December 22, 2017, 06:32:09 PM
So you believe itís an Innocenti? 
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MPlayle on December 22, 2017, 06:43:29 PM
Italians are crazy enough to do just that. 

The Inno changes made to it are from a few different years.  The doors are early (about the same year as the "foundation" Cooper-S) years, but the dash and switch stalks on the steering column are later year items from a Inno 1300 or 1300 Export (those were early 1970's models).

A likely scenario: A sufficiently wealthy Italian customer orders a 1275 Cooper-S through his local dealer (thus the Italy delivery).  The car arrives, the customer prefers the Inno doors with the forward opening handle and also need to be able to mount the square Italian license plate, the the doors and boot are swapped.  The car is driven for several years (maybe even changes owners at least once) and the "Cooper-S" moniker is mostly "forgotten" as they are still fairly common at the time.  The Inno 1300's come out with the "fancy" 6-gauge cluster and the current owner at that time goes "Wow, I want that in my 1300!" and has the gauge cluster installed (which happens to require a wiring change and so also gets the newer style stalks on the column).  Years continue to pass, the car changes hands some more, the pilot buys it and returns to the US with it.  More years pass and more "mods" get done to what is now thought of as just another Mini until it lands with the current owner today in a project state with enough information to have the scrambled history and identity when a BMIHT certificate is obtained.

The big thing to remember was that in the late 60's to mid 80's, these cars were still common all over Europe and treated as the "British VW Bug" in that they often got all kinds of mods by younger owners.  The push to preserve most Cooper and Cooper-S models due to "rarity" came later.

 
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on December 22, 2017, 07:50:52 PM
So you believe itís an Innocenti?

I dunno what it is really, just a conglomeration of parts......
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on December 23, 2017, 09:03:49 AM
So you believe itís an Innocenti?

I dunno what it is really, just a conglomeration of parts......

Yeah.  The only verifiable Cooper S items are:  The VIN plate  ::) , the bodyshell with glass minus the Italian boot lid and both doors.  And the RH tank. That's about it. 
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on December 26, 2017, 06:53:57 PM
Well, it sold for $6K.....seems like more than enough for a kit......
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on January 09, 2018, 05:12:21 PM
A rally Mini Cooper 998 is now on BaT.   Well, it was a rally car back in the day, then a track car with a 1275, now it's back to a rally car with a 998.  Definitely not a concours car - lots of modifications for rallying.  Looks to be well-worn.  Very strange about no photos from underneath the car.  That oversight will be a hot topic.  Does the seller expect that nobody will ask about that?

Funny how one little thing is 'off' and that really detracts from the car IMO:  [Seinfeld voice] "What's the deal with the black retaining rings on the headlights? "  We all expect to see chrome there, so why isn't it?

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1965-bmc-mini-cooper/

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Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on January 09, 2018, 06:44:33 PM
I think the fact that the car is in Germany may be the biggest hold back to it's financial future - at least for buyers here in the states.

I agree, seems underbody shots are required anymore - especially for older cars that were prone to rust anyway.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on January 10, 2018, 11:01:35 AM
I am guessing the underside has some "character" bumps and bruises. Will be interesting to see were this one ends up price wise and geographically.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on January 10, 2018, 11:38:11 AM
I can't think of any reason at all why a rally Mini would not have a completely pristine body.

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on January 10, 2018, 12:45:18 PM
I thought the comment about the retread off road tires was interesting.....but what would an underfunded team owner do - put on $300 each new tires just to go tear them up on gravel? I think the retreads make a lot of sense......

Remember when Bandag made retreaded race tires? They still make OTR truck tires......
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on January 10, 2018, 02:03:52 PM
I think the fact that the car is in Germany may be the biggest hold back to it's financial future

Having a Seller who (so far) has failed to respond to comments or to even make an appearance ain't helping it either.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on January 10, 2018, 02:25:24 PM
Yes, but with 5 days to go and the time difference we should hear from him tomorrow, if not......then the car will have a tough row to hoe........
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on January 10, 2018, 03:18:01 PM
The Seller just de-cloaked and is answering questions and promising underbody photos.

He also clarifies that this Mini has had rear disc brakes installed.  I'm looking forward to the new photos.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: 94touring on January 10, 2018, 03:56:37 PM
Speaking of rear disc...the 74 will be getting them.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on January 11, 2018, 06:26:59 AM
Speaking of rear disc...the 74 will be getting them.

I've heard that some people have used Honda or Ford rear discs and adapted them for Minis.  Or are you planning to get the KAD ones?
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: 94touring on January 11, 2018, 09:20:52 AM
Yeah Kad.  I'm on a weight savings mission.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MPlayle on January 11, 2018, 12:10:00 PM
Now this is something different:

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1957-bmw-isetta-9/ (https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1957-bmw-isetta-9/)

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on January 11, 2018, 01:42:45 PM
Ha! Saw that this morning.......an Isettavw   ;D
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on January 11, 2018, 01:43:10 PM
Yeah Kad.  I'm on a weight savings mission.

And a large money spending mission!   ;D
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on January 11, 2018, 04:13:36 PM
Yeah Kad.  I'm on a weight savings mission.

Yes, you will be losing a lot of £'s with those KAD items. 


 ;D
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: 94touring on January 11, 2018, 04:38:37 PM
Lol yeah.  Dave has heard me go on and on about the weight loss program I have in mind. One new thing I learned this week researching was how much reducing rotational weight effects a car.  Every pound off the flywheel nets about 11 lbs off what the car feels like it's powering. Unsprung weight on wheels/brakes equate to 6-7lbs per pound shaved.  I think I can reduce the weight by 275lbs both in actual and rotational factors. 52lbs actual pounds off unsprung weight too.  With the new engine this thing should scream. Now to find time and the £'s to do it.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on January 11, 2018, 06:26:13 PM
Long ago I remember driving a friendís Mini to a body shop for painting. The car had been stripped down at his house to no interior, no glass anywhere, no bumpers or grill, no spare etc.  Iím not sure how much weight it lost but it was noticeably more lively on the road.

Of course part of that feeling might be because the wind was coming right through the missing windshield and blowing throughout the empty interior!
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on January 14, 2018, 02:04:23 PM
Just two days left on the auction for the rally Mini in Germany. 

Bids are only at $5K now and nobody but nobody has asked a single question about importing it to the US.   So either the BaT audience is fully versed on how that is done and the importation costs involved (some are), or, more likely IMO, there are no serious bidders involved so far. 

The Mini is probably worth more, but my wild guess as of this point is that this will be bid to maybe $11K-$13K and then close at Reserve Not Met.  Adding $2K-$4K or more to the bid for importation costs (Jena, Germany is more than 300 miles from a port) along with the logistical work involved will keep many bidders away.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on January 15, 2018, 06:57:49 PM
Well now the subject of shipping has finally come up in the comments and the seller has responded with a terse single sentence on estimated costs.  Could he be more German?   ;D   Iím comparing that with a different seller offering a Citroen 2CV in Italy at auction also at BaT right now.  The Citroen owner has taken a pro-active approach regarding shipping. He is providing detailed information and promises to be very accommodating supporting the import process.  Huge difference.   
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on January 16, 2018, 10:06:32 AM
At around $6k now this auction is going to end up RNM imo reserve not met.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on January 16, 2018, 02:41:26 PM
I think Gonzalo might have been a shill, bumping the price to $10K in one jump, but you're right - RNM
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on January 16, 2018, 02:44:55 PM
Yup.  Heís brand new to BaT this month with no prior comments or bids.   Plus his $3K jump in bids is a hell of jump.   
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on January 16, 2018, 02:55:58 PM
Had the Seller done more to address the ďitís way over in GermanyĒ elephant in the room he would have had much better luck, IMO
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on January 17, 2018, 12:12:36 PM
And there is another Mini for sale on BaT.  This one is a rare 1071S with some modifications but it generally looks largely original.   

It will be very interesting to see how high this one goes.  I'm guessing it will break $25K-$30K without a sweat.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1964-austin-mini-cooper-2/

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Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on January 17, 2018, 12:22:14 PM
This is an extremely nice car with good provenance from a well regarded Mini owner, I agree - if any should, this one should bring the big bux. Sure didn't take long for the Mini cognoscenti to figure out who's car it was!
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: velopackrat on January 18, 2018, 09:25:22 AM
Agreed, it's a fantastic example of a 1071 being sold by a rock solid expert.  Yet there are still posters in the comments who are basically doubting the validity of the car and the integrity of the seller.  Two or three guys out there purely guessing as to what size the brake rotors should be, or how the lost engine tag is the smoking gun.

I bet it goes north of $40K and probably back to the UK, even though it was an export car.

As an aside, did you guys catch Wold's #2 Mini racecar for sale on eBay?

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Mark-1-Mini-Cooper-Vintage-Race-Car/162848100185?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on January 18, 2018, 02:22:12 PM
I was one of the guys discussing the brakes and got my ass handed to me as ususal - some of those guys do know their Mini minutia!

My experience was different, but hey - I've only owned one MkI Cooper S in my life, some of these guys have owned bunches of them.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on January 19, 2018, 10:32:53 AM
Agree with Velopackrat it should bring mid $40's and may end up in Japan or Europe as it is straight enough to be bought back to near original again. In the UK they would rather have a rust free LHD than an ex rusty welded up RHD and they are easily enough converted to RHD if you so desire. Cleaning up the floors like the owner of the almond green/white car did on a recent sale on BaT would have gone a long way with presentation on this car and as the engine bay and other panels are already painted it would not have hurt the remaining originality imo.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on January 19, 2018, 02:54:51 PM
The guy in Germany who was offering the rally Mini on BaT last week is now auctioning a Lotus Cortina over at BaT.   

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1966-lotus-cortina-mk1/

The comments are interesting reading as many of them are challenging the authenticity of it being a true Lotus Cortina, with particular notice paid to a VIN plate said to be suspect combined with a questionable letter of certification. 

Grab some popcorn. 


"I didn't expect the Spanish Inquisition!"   ;D
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MPlayle on January 19, 2018, 03:50:36 PM
I did not read much of the comments on the rally Mini posting, but from what was indicated here, the seller of the Cortina may have brought it upon himself due to his responses (or lack thereof) on the Mini auction.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on January 20, 2018, 09:34:28 AM
Wow.  To quote Ron Burgundy, ďBoy!  That escalated quickly!Ē.   

There was just a HUGE bid jump of nearly $14,000 and the high bid on the Cooper S 1071 is now at $30K.  And he is a real bidder -  he has already bought a Ferrari off BaT. 

There are 4 days still to go!

This Cooper S could sell for $50K plus.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MPlayle on January 20, 2018, 10:02:20 AM
Unfortunately, this sort of thing is driving up the prices of all Minis.  Folks are trying to use such auction results (even if the auctioned car legitimately deserves the high price) to justify asking $25K+ for a $12K car.

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on January 20, 2018, 10:34:22 AM
Unfortunately, this sort of thing is driving up the prices of all Minis.  Folks are trying to use such auction results (even if the auctioned car legitimately deserves the high price) to justify asking $25K+ for a $12K car.

Agreed.  Huge difference between a 1071S and my Mini (for example) in terms of collectability and value.

Yet the exposure of the rarest cars selling for the top prices does help raise the values of the lesser cars too, to some degree I think.  After all not everyone can afford to pay more than $30K for a mostly orginal Mk. I Cooper S, so that creates interest (and increased values) by people looking for a Mini that is cheaper, and that they can modify without worrying about hurting orginality.   

Look what has happned to Porsche 911s over the past few years.  As the more desireable models have gone sky high, the plain vanilla models (I'm talking to you, 912)  have increased in price too.   


Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MPlayle on January 20, 2018, 11:22:44 AM
But you also get the cases of cars that have had maintenance neglected and been abused suddenly going from being a $12K car at best to asking prices of $22500 - case in point: the green 1981 Mini panel Van I owned 2.5 years ago.  Half of the rear interior work I did has been stripped out, it got "rallied" and now has a significant pull to the right, steering now has significant play, the current owner added a roof rack and large removable vinyl circles to the doors and jacked the price up $8K.

(I've been "consulted" about it by someone that was very strongly interested in it until they had a PPI done.  They shared the PPI results with me.)

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: 94touring on January 20, 2018, 11:25:48 AM
But you also get the cases of cars that have had maintenance neglected and been abused suddenly going from being a $12K car at best to asking prices of $22500 - case in point: the green 1981 Mini panel Van I owned 2.5 years ago.  Half of the rear interior work I did has been stripped out, it got "rallied" and now has a significant pull to the right, steering now has significant play, the current owner added a roof rack and large removable vinyl circles to the doors and jacked the price up $8K.

(I've been "consulted" about it by someone that was very strongly interested in it until they had a PPI done.  They shared the PPI results with me.)

I heard. I think he may have even said it's worth 25k.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on January 22, 2018, 01:41:38 PM
The 1071 S is now up to $40K with 2 full days left in the auction.  There is still time for nitpicking about the missing brake booster, the speedo in kph instead of mph, etc.   

But I don't think any of that will really matter.  I think this will soon be the highest bid Mini sold on BaT, closing in the high 50s, or even greater. 


Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on January 22, 2018, 01:55:54 PM
Agreed, it's a fantastic example of a 1071 being sold by a rock solid expert.  Yet there are still posters in the comments who are basically doubting the validity of the car and the integrity of the seller.  Two or three guys out there purely guessing as to what size the brake rotors should be, or how the lost engine tag is the smoking gun.

I bet it goes north of $40K and probably back to the UK, even though it was an export car.

As an aside, did you guys catch Wold's #2 Mini racecar for sale on eBay?

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Mark-1-Mini-Cooper-Vintage-Race-Car/162848100185?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649

That only went to $10K and was RNM.      Wonder if he'll try to sell it on BaT because of the likely outcome on the 1071S ?
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: velopackrat on January 22, 2018, 05:38:37 PM
I'm curious what reserve on the race car was, not that I need one.  I doubt any of us could build one like it for less than $25K.  I think assembling the motor and gearbox alone would exceed $10K.
But in regard to the 1071, it's an odd fact that all the negativity has subsided and Mr. Wold looks to see a nice payday.  For example, and this is not a knock on the car, I think the original color of OEW also meant the roof was white.  Reason I say this, on Heritage Certificates it usually states body and roof color.  At least my two did.  On his, it reads 'monotone' after OEW.  One could order the cars that way if one so chose back then...
So, what would you guys do with it if it was in your driveway?  Drive it as is or restore it?  If restore, to what degree?
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on January 22, 2018, 09:10:01 PM

So, what would you guys do with it if it was in your driveway?  Drive it as is or restore it?  If restore, to what degree?

I'd just leave it as it is and enjoy it.  Plus, if it sells for $50K plus or so as I think it might, then doing a $30K restoration on top of that and bingo you've got $80K plus into it -- and there'd always be a worry about chipping the paint or breaking something if it was used.

In that light, personalizing a plain-Jane Mini instead just as you want it (which could even be a near-perfect Cooper clone) for 1/3 of that amount and then enjoying the hell out of it by driving it perhaps makes more economic sense?

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on January 24, 2018, 01:15:24 PM
The 1071 S is now up to $40K with 2 full days left in the auction.  There is still time for nitpicking about the missing brake booster, the speedo in kph instead of mph, etc.   

But I don't think any of that will really matter.  I think this will soon be the highest bid Mini sold on BaT, closing in the high 50s, or even greater.

The Cooper 1071S Just sold for $50K.   Not as high I thought, and not the most expensive Mini ever on BaT, but a pretty hefty price nonetheless.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on January 24, 2018, 01:19:02 PM
The seller said he was feeling seller's remorse the last few days - I think that should ease his thoughts a bit! The sad part is I doubt any of these cars will see the light of day again, except at a concours event or something....fresh motor suspension and brakes and an imperfect body this car is perfect to be used and enjoyed. Sad to me that it won't....
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: gr8kornholio on January 24, 2018, 01:43:19 PM
Agreed.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: velopackrat on January 24, 2018, 02:28:33 PM
Wait, I missed something...is Dave the $50K buyer dude purely a collector?  It won't get driven?  Man, bummer.  And speaking of driven, maybe we need a new thread of what specs constitute our dream Mini build?  I'll go first.  And this is coming from a guy w/ a nice Cooper S:)

Roll up windows but 10x6 Minilites and group 2 arches.  Mk1 treatment.  Specialist Components EFI.  Quaife w/ 3.2 gears.  Smootha ride. Either Tweed grey w/ white roof or Almond Green w/ white roof.  No markings whatsoever.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on January 24, 2018, 06:57:08 PM
Wait, I missed something...is Dave the $50K buyer dude purely a collector?  It won't get driven?  Man, bummer. 
Yeah, the 1071S is going into a collection, but I'm not sure that means it won't be driven.   The winning bidder talks about driving his Mini beach car, so sounds like he does drive them at least occasionally.


...  And speaking of driven, maybe we need a new thread of what specs constitute our dream Mini build?  I'll go first.  And this is coming from a guy w/ a nice Cooper S:)

Roll up windows but 10x6 Minilites and group 2 arches.  Mk1 treatment.  Specialist Components EFI.  Quaife w/ 3.2 gears.  Smootha ride. Either Tweed grey w/ white roof or Almond Green w/ white roof.  No markings whatsoever.
That sounds very tasty indeed. I would be quite satisfied with that spec.  To me, 10" wheels are the best looking size for a Mini.  But my tastes have changed and I now think the 'no flares' look with modest wheel widths, like 5", are preferable. 

At MiniMeet West in 2016 I saw several very clean looking Tweed Grey Minis and they left a lasting favorable impression on me.   In person, the color looks very vintage and very refined.

So, this is kinda close to what you are saying (except for being a Mk. I and having narrower wheels and badging).

(https://i.pinimg.com/736x/c4/e1/05/c4e105fb0c217b1ee6be1ac343e866bc--mini-cooper-s-mk.jpg)
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: gr8kornholio on January 24, 2018, 08:40:46 PM
The Australian Clubman GT.  Pretty much a 1275 Cooper S with clubman nose and Australian roll up windows.  Think only a couple hundred were made.  This one was "stolen" on BaT before minis got hot and I don't think people realized what it was.  I was still a good year from being able to buy it and regret not just doing it.  Even liked the crazy color.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/mini-clubman-1275-gt/

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Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: gr8kornholio on January 24, 2018, 08:58:15 PM
For a custom mini, I'd still like a clubman, just something about the 70's sports look that I love.  But I'd love to build a vtec monster AWD car.  Like an intergra GSR motor with a ProCharger on it.  4 racing seats and harnesses.  Bright ass yellow and carbon fiber trim.  CHEAP!   ;D
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: gasmini on January 25, 2018, 11:41:46 AM
For a custom mini, I'd still like a clubman, just something about the 70's sports look that I love.  But I'd love to build a vtec monster AWD car.  Like an intergra GSR motor with a ProCharger on it.  4 racing seats and harnesses.  Bright ass yellow and carbon fiber trim.  CHEAP!   ;D
That last word gave me a laugh with what you wrote about your dream build. :D
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on January 25, 2018, 12:32:16 PM
I know, right?  ;D
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: velopackrat on January 25, 2018, 01:52:11 PM
Step One:  Find a donor Mini whereby the owner PAYS YOU $10K to haul it away.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on February 13, 2018, 04:42:01 PM
After many Mini-less weeks, there is now a Mini on BaT.

It was born as a Mk. II Cooper 998, but it now very much bitsa car.  So no concerns about originality and the new owner can do whatever he pleases without alarming the purists.  It will be interesting to see how it does.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1968-austin-austin-mini-cooper-mk2/

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Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on February 13, 2018, 05:08:57 PM
$10K already on the first day?
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on February 15, 2018, 07:48:13 AM
Yeah that is surprising.

Thereís a bit of a controversy in the commentary.   Seems this Mini has two VIN plates with two different numbers.   The owner made his own VIN plate to match a typo on the title.  Uh oh.  Not exactly the right way to tackle that.   Some are calling for the auction to be canceled until the matter is fixed.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on February 15, 2018, 10:02:48 AM
Its a bitsa and it's already registered in Holy California, and the vin plate matches the title - what's the problem?

Is that BL emblem on the A panel correct for the year?
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on February 15, 2018, 10:51:14 AM
Its a bitsa and it's already registered in Holy California, and the vin plate matches the title - what's the problem?

Is that BL emblem on the A panel correct for the year?

No.  All the badging on the car is wrong. Bonnet and boot are showing Mk I badges instead of Mk II. And honestly, who exactly is proud to display BL badges?    Not me.

Iíd say the issue with the two VINs is because there are two VINs.  Right now itís potentially open to police action including confiscation.  Pick one.   If it were me, Iíd get my thumb out and fix the damn title.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on February 17, 2018, 09:08:02 AM
No bidding and few comments over the past few days.   A dark cloud of VIN monkey business is hanging over this auction.  Well not malicious monkey business - just laziness and indifference from the seller who notes he is a busy guy and going to the DMV to correct the title is just a hassle man.  Easier to make up a second VIN plate with the wrong VIN donít you see?

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on February 17, 2018, 09:12:51 AM
Yeah, I wonder what he was thinking - I'll just slide this one thru BaT, no one there will notice?

I also find it interesting that even tho they took pics of the floors - out of all those pics none of them are of the sills or other potential rust areas, and check out the bondo on the rear valance....

Too bad too, as the car has a ton of cools stuff and looks like it could be a fun ride....
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: 94touring on February 17, 2018, 09:47:55 AM
Can't tell if it's bondo or poor prep and paint chipping/peeling.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on February 17, 2018, 10:01:06 AM
Yeah, could just be peeling paint - still, points to the quality of work, and who knows what horrors might be hiding under it?

Like I said, for the right price it could be a fun little car......but why would anyone buy it with the title messed up? He says he's going to the DMV to straighten it out, and having the original vin plate might be his saving grace - if he explains it right. If he tells them he made up a vin plate to match the title all bets are off.....
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: 94touring on February 17, 2018, 10:42:59 AM
Yeah hard to say.  Vin issues aside, just quickly glancing over thr car it looks pretty solid, albeit heavily modified to suit his taste.  I can't stand 4 point harnesses on a street car. Hell I hate the 5 point in the jet.  As soon as the wheels are a mm off the ground the shoulder straps come off. 
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on February 17, 2018, 07:10:33 PM
No bidding and few comments over the past few days.   A dark cloud of VIN monkey business is hanging over this auction.  Well not malicious monkey business - just laziness and indifference from the seller who notes he is a busy guy and going to the DMV to correct the title is just a hassle man.  Easier to make up a second VIN plate with the wrong VIN donít you see?

The negative comments worked - the Seller has now posted that he has finally visited the DMV and a corrected title is on the way.    Perhaps now the discussion will focus on the merits of the car?
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on February 19, 2018, 11:30:10 AM
The yellow Mini on BaT has had no bids for the last 6 days (!) and there are just 5 hours left.   

There was a good deal of VIN drama and the Seller has not been very responsive IMO.  That kinda set the tone for little interest in the car.   For example, there are no good underbody photos and no discussion of any potential rust either.  I think the fact and nobody has requested to learn more about the car's body condition indicates the true level of interest.   

This thing has RNM written all over it.  I think they will be some more bids (otherwise MiniGuy's $9,999 bid will win - and he's bid on 64 cars and never won a single one, so I don't see that happening). 

My guess is that it will be bid to maybe $12K-$13K and go RNM. 
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on February 19, 2018, 01:35:15 PM
Well, what do I know?   With still nearly 3 hours to go there have been 10+ heated bids in the last half hour.  It's over $14K now.   

Seems this was on the radar of a lot of interested buyers who I guess where hoping the lack of activity on this auction would mean a bargain.  It's beyond a bargain at this point...
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on February 19, 2018, 03:05:45 PM
While the yellow Mini auction is coming to a close, I spent some time looking at this VW-based frog car, which I found interesting for 2 reasons:

1) The color reminds me of the Bracken color used on Minis
2) This listing has a pretty wild comments section going with mystery, detective work, intrigue, accusations, and deceit(?).  Basically, everything the Internet is famous for (except nudity).  Interesting reading.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1968-porsche-912-19/

(https://13252-presscdn-0-94-pagely.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/1518575961eb90973327ECP_0044.jpg)
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on February 19, 2018, 03:40:14 PM
At the current $15,250 bid, if this doesn't make reserve the seller is crazy.

That really nice almond green MkI Cooper S only brought $16 something, didn't it?
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on February 19, 2018, 03:42:57 PM
That's a really nice looking NineDozen, I've lost track of what these are doing compared to the 911 and 356 but I'm pretty sure the old "rising tide lifts all boats" theory applies to them too.....

Edit: Just read the comments........Wow.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on February 19, 2018, 03:54:40 PM
That's a really nice looking NineDozen, I've lost track of what these are doing compared to the 911 and 356 but I'm pretty sure the old "rising tide lifts all boats" theory applies to them too.....
If the comments are accurate, this 912 is on its 3rd owner - in just the past month!   Rapid flipping like that tends to drive the prices up I think.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: 94touring on February 19, 2018, 04:05:04 PM
I wouldn't be surprised if that is bracken.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on February 19, 2018, 04:25:35 PM
Mini sold at $16,750.....
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on February 19, 2018, 08:58:45 PM
The Porsche 912 auction went south pretty quickly and BaT Put a stop to it.  Comments got a lot more interesting. 
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on February 24, 2018, 01:20:00 PM
It's a Mini, Jim.   But not as we know it.

A very rare 1962 Ogle SX 1000, based upon a 997 Mini Cooper.

https://bringatrailer.com/2018/02/23/fiberglass-fastback-mini-1962-ogle-sx-1000/

(https://13252-presscdn-0-94-pagely.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/1519340150cabe081da73efO1-e1519340167293-620x358.jpg)
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on February 24, 2018, 01:24:30 PM
The proportions on these are so odd to me, with the long nose overhang.

With a 997 and so few built, this should bring all the money they're asking for it....the owner spent north of $80K on the restoration but only wants (or thinks he can get) half of that? Crikeys!

I think me and Dan are both working too cheap!

But....is it a 997 or a 998? I thought someone told me the 997, 1071 and 1275's all used the "big" block, and this one is clearly a small block motor.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: 94touring on February 24, 2018, 01:34:24 PM
My new fee is one viper per job.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on February 24, 2018, 02:29:58 PM
Is that enough? Vipers don't cost $80K do they?   ;D
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: 94touring on February 24, 2018, 02:32:01 PM
40ish to 160k depending.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: gr8kornholio on February 28, 2018, 07:23:12 PM
Not on BaT, but saw and had to share.  Wait till you get to the motor pic  :-\

https://www.minimania.com/cars4Sale/14827/1977_Leyland_Cooper_Sedan
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Willie_B on February 28, 2018, 07:35:21 PM
Not on BaT, but saw and had to share.  Wait till you get to the motor pic  :-\

https://www.minimania.com/cars4Sale/14827/1977_Leyland_Cooper_Sedan

That does not look like it would be fun to drive. Way to fast to get over your head and way out of shape.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: gr8kornholio on February 28, 2018, 08:06:40 PM
Thatís what I was thinking.  Definitely in need of the 4wd conversion with that power.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: 94touring on March 01, 2018, 09:04:46 AM
Interesting choice for a rear spoiler, what is that, a schwinn?
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on March 01, 2018, 01:00:00 PM
What the hell is that in the boot?  A 1000 shot?
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: gr8kornholio on March 01, 2018, 01:55:59 PM
My thoughts at first too.  Turns out it's a subwoofer box and amp combo. 
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on March 01, 2018, 02:37:05 PM
Wow a subwoofer that runs on NoS!  What WILL they think of next?

 ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on March 01, 2018, 06:35:09 PM
Thought I'd beat Bruce to it.......998 Clubman for sale on BaT today......

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1971-mini-clubman/#comment-2056680 (https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1971-mini-clubman/#comment-2056680)


Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on March 01, 2018, 09:13:55 PM
I took a quick look.  Seems like a nice Mini.   It will be interesting to see how the Clubman body style is regarded amongst the BaT audience Ė many of them probably have never seen that type of Mini before. 
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on March 02, 2018, 09:40:52 PM
And another 998 RHD Mini for sale on BaT......

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1979-austin-mk-iv-mini/ (https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1979-austin-mk-iv-mini/)

This one has poorly installed oversills and a pre-verto transmission with an A+ block. But it DOES have the obligatory 4 spotlights and stereo!
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on March 07, 2018, 08:01:36 PM
The Clubman didn't make the reserve.  Bidding only went to $8,300.     For some reason, (color?  bodystyle?), that car got little attention and no love at all.    Seems a shame as it looked to be a nice solid Mini.

In the meantime, the shiny blue one is enjoying some interest.  Seems the oversills aren't really bothering anyone.    Less than a day left and it is bid to $9K so far.   I think this one may go to $12K to $14K.

And now another Mini is on auction on BaT:  A 1987 Mini Park Lane edition

Seems to be a nice car.  The only negative might be the aftermarket sunroof.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1987-mini-park-lane/
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Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on March 07, 2018, 08:23:55 PM
That Clubby should have brought more, it is a far nicer car than the blue one, the $8 and 9K bids were made by the same guy and I think they're shill bids....I don't think it will make reserve either.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on March 08, 2018, 06:24:59 PM
The blue Mini with the 4 spot lights and oversills sold for just $10,500.    I'm kinda surprised because I thought it would have brought at least $2K more.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: 94touring on March 08, 2018, 06:32:52 PM
The headliner in that blue one was rough looking and those stripes pretty hideously wide I thought.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on March 09, 2018, 07:16:55 PM
Apart from the stuff mentioned the seat covers and home made dash was awful in the blue car, the yellow one was a lot straighter imo.
Now up for sale at no reserve is a nice M tech built 1293 s/c Estate which was formally a Clubman and is now a round nose. It should do well.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on March 09, 2018, 07:58:52 PM
Apart from the stuff mentioned the seat covers and home made dash was awful in the blue car, the yellow one was a lot straighter imo.
Now up for sale at no reserve is a nice M tech built 1293 s/c Estate which was formally a Clubman and is now a round nose. It should do well.

Yeah, that wagon is a nice car.  I've seen it several times in person over the years. 

The current owner has not had it long, but he is very much on top of responding to the questions and comments about the car on BaT.    An attentive seller like him can really make a positive difference during an auction.  I think this may go for big bucks  - like over $20K if things go well. 

The only real negative is the mickey mouse situation with the VIN.   That never should have happened when it was imported - there should have been plenty of proper paperwork available (the V5 and other documents) to support and correct any mistake to use the correct VIN when first registered.  Making up a bogus VIN plate to justify a clerical error is just a bad move.   Two wrongs...


https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1971-mini-countryman-estate-woody/

(https://13252-presscdn-0-94-pagely.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/1520301033cfcd2IMG_8914-940x627.jpg)

 

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on March 09, 2018, 08:25:02 PM
Isn't this the second time we've seen a bogus vin due to a "clerical error" on a BaT sale?
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on March 09, 2018, 09:04:00 PM
Yup. In just the past several weeks.    But the seller of the other Mini (the one that had 2 VIN plates mounted!)  got it sorted out before the auction ended. I donít know if this situation could be fixed the same way since the current owner probably does not have the paperwork from importation and itís been wrong for more than a decade.   Kind of brings up the question -  from the stateís perspective - of how the car got annual state inspections completed if the paperwork did not match the plate.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: gasmini on March 10, 2018, 11:35:33 AM
   Kind of brings up the question -  from the stateís perspective - of how the car got annual state inspections completed if the paperwork did not match the plate.
Some states like Kansas only require it to pass inspection the first time coming into the state and not a yearly inspection. So if you have an inspector that doesn't look close enough that could explain some things.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on March 10, 2018, 12:22:08 PM
Wow, no reserve......wonder what he paid for it 6 mos ago? I remember seeing this car or one just like it in the magazine article, seems IIRC it was a £30K car when new.

Wonder where this will end up? $20K? $25K?

Really nice wagon with all of the mods I would want - round nose, LHD, supercharger, tall gears, spring suspension, late model interior.......
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on March 10, 2018, 12:41:26 PM
   Kind of brings up the question -  from the stateís perspective - of how the car got annual state inspections completed if the paperwork did not match the plate.
Some states like Kansas only require it to pass inspection the first time coming into the state and not a yearly inspection. So if you have an inspector that doesn't look close enough that could explain some things.

Yeah.  If the inspector looked at all he wiould have just seen the made up VIN plate.   My point was how do you plead to the state to make a VIN correction because the car has lived with the wrong VIN for so long?
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jims5543 on March 11, 2018, 03:25:35 PM
Apart from the stuff mentioned the seat covers and home made dash was awful in the blue car, the yellow one was a lot straighter imo.
Now up for sale at no reserve is a nice M tech built 1293 s/c Estate which was formally a Clubman and is now a round nose. It should do well.

Yeah, that wagon is a nice car.  I've seen it several times in person over the years. 

The current owner has not had it long, but he is very much on top of responding to the questions and comments about the car on BaT.    An attentive seller like him can really make a positive difference during an auction.  I think this may go for big bucks  - like over $20K if things go well. 

The only real negative is the mickey mouse situation with the VIN.   That never should have happened when it was imported - there should have been plenty of proper paperwork available (the V5 and other documents) to support and correct any mistake to use the correct VIN when first registered.  Making up a bogus VIN plate to justify a clerical error is just a bad move.   Two wrongs...


https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1971-mini-countryman-estate-woody/

Correct me if I an wrong, isn't that another one of Skips old cars?

If so, run away as fast as you can.

There will be all kinds of hobbled together shit hidden under the pretty shiny exterior.

Wonder why the guy selling only had it 6 months or so?

Because Skip owned it before him. He is smart to unload it.   Like an idiot, I keep trying to save mine.

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: 94touring on March 11, 2018, 03:45:28 PM
I know it has an oil leak that Skip glued foam to in order to stop the leak.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MPlayle on March 11, 2018, 03:54:57 PM
Yes, it is indeed formerly Skip's car.  Skip commissioned the original M-Tech build of the car.  It "used" to be one of Skip's more pampered cars, but it seems it also got some hobbled together maintenance and neglect along the way.

I would tend to agree with Jim's assessment based on some additional things I have heard offline from another source.

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on March 11, 2018, 04:49:31 PM
Really? Cause it looks like it's going to bring big bux in the auction if no one discloses the issues. They were pretty glib about the sponge to soak up the oil leak.....
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: 94touring on March 11, 2018, 05:06:09 PM
I also know the current owner tried to unload it pretty quickly after purchase for what he paid. 
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on March 11, 2018, 05:22:05 PM
I only met Skip in passing a couple times at car shows over the years.  Sounds like others know more about him (and his cars) and there are some stories.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on March 11, 2018, 05:58:27 PM
I also know the current owner tried to unload it pretty quickly after purchase for what he paid.

Do you know what he paid?
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: 94touring on March 11, 2018, 06:04:16 PM
I was told 18-19k in December.  I don't know Skip or ever met him, but I get the impression his vehicle upkeep was pretty shoddy.  Think about my clubman rusty and the things we know about.  I think that is kind of Skips way as well.  And I like the owner of my clubman, but jeez louis.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MPlayle on March 11, 2018, 06:15:41 PM
What I have heard as potentially being issues on Skip's former wagon are second hand information, so I do not want to spread unsubstantiated information.

I have a small amount of personal experience with regard to Jim's Pickup as I was the "middleman" between Skip's ownership and Jim's.  I had some first-hand experience with how that Pickup arrived to me and then the additional Jim has reported as he got even further into it than I had a chance for.

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jims5543 on March 12, 2018, 07:12:34 AM
Without out right posting a caveat emptor on BAT, I am going to ask some questions.

I just posted and asked why he is selling after 7 months, I also asked him to post a cold start video. Lets hear what the engine sounds like.

I feel bad for that Brian cat, is he a member here?  He is about to get hosed.

Nice looking little truck, I would budget in a new Supercharger, engine and than budget in another couple of grand for lots of neglect and that is if you plan on doing the work yourself.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on March 12, 2018, 08:28:16 AM
Why a new supercharger? These are supposed to be dead reliable and there's not much you can do to hurt them......

He did post a driving video and it sounded like it ran out well.

I think he said he was selling because they bought it to haul behind a motorhome, but decided to buy a home someplace cooler than Texas in the summer instead, so they're selling the motorhome too.

Is Brian the current owner? I think the car will bring good money, if it's as bad as you guys think tho......
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on March 12, 2018, 09:21:14 AM
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Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MPlayle on March 12, 2018, 10:07:54 AM
Dave,

I know that particular style of supercharger is NLA (No Longer Available).  "IF" something happens to it, replacing it is no longer possible - thus significant costs involved with reworking the engine back to normal compression or a different supercharger arrangement.

The "rumors" I have been sent about it are just that - "rumors".  The only confirmed one is the oil leak at the timing cover being "cured" by the piece of foam/sponge.

The VIN issue(s) land squarely on Skip as he is the one that imported it directly into Texas as the first US owner.  Why Skip never corrected the title is anyone's guess.

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on March 12, 2018, 10:34:05 AM
I saw this car or it's double at a Mini event in Florida a few years back and it was smoking through the gears and on start up which will not be a cheap fix if it is the same car.
The vin issue pointed out that it has green paint on the new vin plate which either means it has had some body work/ paint done since or it came from another car. It is not even close to a Mini vin number more of a kit car vin number.
I really think the story of the importation mix up is bogus i have imported plenty of Mini's some with vin errors and it just does not happen you get it corrected. Now i guess it could be an assigned vin from Texas but they would affix their own vin not order a new Morris Vin plate.
I am guessing for whatever reason either this owner or a previous owner with a green Mini or Mini based kit car used that vin on this car.
Now there is a nice Unipower sitting in the garage in the background and it is green Hmmmmm!
Just my 02c.
All that being said it is a nice build.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: 94touring on March 12, 2018, 12:16:10 PM
I've heard rumors of the supercharger and burning oil too.

I once imported a mini and someone transposed a number.  I went to the local customs, explained the error, they fixed the paperwork, and the tag agency issued a title that matched the vin.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jims5543 on March 12, 2018, 12:44:15 PM
Why a new supercharger? These are supposed to be dead reliable and there's not much you can do to hurt them......

He did post a driving video and it sounded like it ran out well.

I think he said he was selling because they bought it to haul behind a motorhome, but decided to buy a home someplace cooler than Texas in the summer instead, so they're selling the motorhome too.

Is Brian the current owner? I think the car will bring good money, if it's as bad as you guys think tho......

Brian is the one who is bidding on this car in BAT.

Apparently as we see by this BAT Auction the car was riddled with problems hence all the front end work and basic maintenance.

Issues easily be hidden in a BAT Auction, if you are selling a Skip car the best way to do it is sight unseen.

I did not go through all the comments as I am really busy, I just heard this car was being auctioned and I pity the fool that buys it.

Edit - Also, the restoration was done in 2001, that means it has been 17+ years since any real work was done to this car.

Mine was restored in 2004 and I am pretty sure that was the last time anyone competent touched it.

I pity the fool.

(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/M/MV5BMTQ5Nzg2MTgwMl5BMl5BanBnXkFtZTcwNTA0NjcxMw@@._V1_UY317_CR0,0,214,317_AL_.jpg)


EDIT - I am too busy for this drama.

I am living proof of what a SKip car is like to own. when someone buys and wants to sell in 4-7 short months that is a bad sign.

As I said before caveat emptor.

Good luck to whomever gets this gem.

back to work
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on March 13, 2018, 04:05:30 PM
The black Mini Park Lane was not sold at $9500.   Unreasonable for reserve to be higher?  Maybe not.   I thought it might go for maybe $11K. 
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MPlayle on March 13, 2018, 04:13:59 PM
I think more people are wanting/expecting top dollar for plain Minis just because a limited few have gone for outrageous money.

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on March 13, 2018, 05:59:13 PM
A few things with the Park Lane Mini threw a wrench in the works.
It had an aftermarket (looking) glass pop up sunroof which needed a new seal.
Lots of large areas of glue stains on the headliner.
Two Carriage bolts through the lower portion of both doors.
Mileage was low but some old MOT's incorrectly show it as 200k km's.
A half sill repair panel installed on one side.
It needed tidying up under the bonnet.
Only a 998cc.

All the above things if addressed apart from the low mileage 998 would have resulted in a better price at the auctions end imo.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MPlayle on March 14, 2018, 12:56:53 PM
Duncan_same_old,

Some years back, the Opcon superchargers and manifolds for kits on Minis went out of production.  The suppliers of the upgrade kits for Minis could no longer get them.  Apparently they are back in production now with an updated manifold.

As for Jims5534's experiences regarding Skip, Jim owns a Mini Pickup that was formerly Skip's (it passed through my hands very briefly between the two).  It was not maintained as well as it should have been and Jim has been suffering the pains of getting it back up to proper running condition.  The sort of neglect the Pickup experienced was out of character for Skip's reputation.  I have no explanation for why other than possibly too many "toys" and the Pickup saw the least use/care.

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: 94touring on March 14, 2018, 01:08:19 PM
@94touring -- I didn't "try to unload it."  A person who saw the green woody at TX All British Car Days contacted me and wanted to come look at it.  I had only had it a couple of months.  He went ahead and asked how much to pry it out of my hands, so I pulled a number out of the air. 

Maybe you were trying to make a quick buck, maybe it needs work, maybe you don't like the car, maybe you have other priorities.  Either way that's flipping a car and  suspect. Having seen Skips handy work that puts this wagon on the suspect list.  Especially when out of the blue I of all people receive emails about this car and a laundry list of concerns.   I don't think any of us are on BAT muddying up your sale.  All arm chair quarterbacks from afar. 
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Duncan_same_old on March 14, 2018, 03:49:16 PM
@94touring -- resist the dark side!   ;D
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: 94touring on March 14, 2018, 03:53:56 PM
Of course. My only advice is disclose anything you are aware of and go on about life.  For all involved I hope it turns out to be a solid ride. 
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on March 14, 2018, 05:28:13 PM
@Duncan_same_old. I couldn't swear it was your car smoking and said it could have been another one that looked the same as yours or it could have been repaired before you purchased it, if you say it doesn't smoke i have no reason not to believe you.
The vin plate issue is what it is. I am guessing the po never got back to you and explained how there was a different green paint on the new vin plate ? I personally do not have issues with re vinned Mini's as long as they are not stolen of course but made up numbers to me are a different ball game. Judging by the bidding it is not an issue to others or yourself.
I do like the car and if i did not have 4 other Mini's right now and the vin issue was a little clearer and or documented i would possibly be bidding on it.
That being said i think you have been one of the most forthcoming owners selling a car on BaT you have answered most questions promptly and to the best of your knowledge.
GLWTA it should do well and now i know what to do with my Clubman Estate LOL.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on March 15, 2018, 06:07:07 PM
Wow the auction on the Clubman/round nose woody Estate closed at $27,200+.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on March 15, 2018, 06:35:19 PM
Strong price, he came out well on that one!
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on March 16, 2018, 01:56:05 PM
Obsolutely. I think the majority of car listed on BaT bring all the money. Of course if they are all correct and ready to go they should but a lot are not that way, it has to be the strongest place to sell a car right now.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on March 16, 2018, 10:26:37 PM
Yet another Mini on BaT, this time a JDM 998 4 speed......good looking color, but I wonder why they didn't refinish the top and bottom dash rails to go with the rest of the color change?

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1990-rover-mini-2/ (https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1990-rover-mini-2/)

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on March 22, 2018, 10:43:20 AM
Well, the color changed surf blue JDM 998 Mini above brought $15,250.....a strong price IMHO.

On to the next......
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on March 22, 2018, 10:18:54 PM
Is this the first Moke on BaT?

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1966-austin-mini-moke/ (https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1966-austin-mini-moke/)



Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MPlayle on March 23, 2018, 08:45:58 AM
Not the first Moke to be listed on BAT.  Not many come up though and it has been a while since the last one came up.  I think this is about the fourth.

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on March 29, 2018, 06:44:26 PM
Yet another Mini on BaT, this time a Mini 30 - looks very nice and I like the metallic cherry red! 

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1989-austin-mini-30/ (https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1989-austin-mini-30/)


The green Moke above brought $29,500!
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on March 29, 2018, 06:49:57 PM
That UK Moke at $29.5k i thought was strong money but that is what happens when 3 people are bidding. To be fair apart from the respray it was pretty original and nothing was welded or patched over and as they say they are only original once.

The Mini 30 looks nice and in good shape most i have seen have been rusty. This one has had paint on the A pillars so i am guessing the scuttle has been repaired. I have heard that the later flat windshield rubber likes to hold water which may be correct as the earlier cars were not as prone to rusting there.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on April 04, 2018, 09:05:42 PM
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1967-innocenti-mini/#comment-2130145 (https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1967-innocenti-mini/#comment-2130145)

This Inno raises a lot of questions, especially about rust, but the motor might be worth the whole car.......at no reserve it should be an interesting auction....but I can't see paying over $5K for it.



Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: jedduh01 on April 05, 2018, 09:13:58 AM
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1967-innocenti-mini/#comment-2130145 (https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1967-innocenti-mini/#comment-2130145)

This Inno raises a lot of questions, especially about rust, but the motor might be worth the whole car.......at no reserve it should be an interesting auction....but I can't see paying over $5K for it.

now at 15K... Somethings going on...
 Car is rough all around.. Sure it may work,.,. but Rivete'd side panels? Surface rust everything... How can a built engine  look as' rough' as it does.. Must be an older build from mr russell.. Thats fine.. but the bid price is up there

 Perhaps the Registration + pre SMOG requiremen issues in Californa  help this car more than the Whole.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on April 05, 2018, 09:25:03 AM
Yes it looks fishy jumping to $15k with one bid in less than a day. I think the rivets were where the Fortech flairs were attached on the rear 1/4's. Not much originality of the Innocenti left and some serious work to bring it up to shape.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on April 05, 2018, 10:48:01 PM
Yet another Mini for sale on BaT, this time a tasty little Traveler.....that needs a lot of mechanical work, as well as some help on the body - I mean, they couldn't tape off the headliner before they sprayed the interior? Come on.......

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1965-morris-mini-traveller/ (https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1965-morris-mini-traveller/)



Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: stan360 on April 05, 2018, 11:06:08 PM
Oh, so lazy to respray and not tape the damn headliner. That has to go first. Over spray on everything.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: jedduh01 on April 06, 2018, 07:36:51 AM
Man. I like that little traveler.!   Sure its Bits of this and that but thats what keeps it yours..

Seeing the Gaff tape + headliner condition it wasnt worth taping (masking)  it Should have been removed upon respray but the covering needs replaced anyhow... Good engine + gearbox + brakes + suspension sliding windows = long body OH YESSS

It could be a fine buy to tart up and finish! have a useful little wagon!   Yea , I like wagons.


Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MPlayle on April 06, 2018, 10:53:34 AM
That wagon has been for sale on Mini Mania off and on for quite some time.  I don't recall the asking price. 

Edit:
A refresh of the Mini Mania ad seems to have been recently done and shows an asking price of $10500.

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: SoCalMiniFan on April 06, 2018, 01:13:08 PM
Man. I like that little traveler.!   Sure its Bits of this and that but thats what keeps it yours..

Seeing the Gaff tape + headliner condition it wasnt worth taping (masking)  it Should have been removed upon respray but the covering needs replaced anyhow... Good engine + gearbox + brakes + suspension sliding windows = long body OH YESSS

It could be a fine buy to tart up and finish! have a useful little wagon!   Yea , I like wagons.

I love Volvo wagons! I've had one on my list of favorite cars since I learned to drive.  I really wanted a 240 as my first car but that didn't pan out. 
How are you liking your Santa Cruz (Bronson?)  I picked up a 5010 this year and it's the bees knees.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on April 06, 2018, 01:22:42 PM
I'm also a wagon meister......with an Audi Allroad, my MINI Clubman (sort of a wagon) and my previous Mini was a Clubman Estate.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: jedduh01 on April 06, 2018, 02:09:57 PM
Man. I like that little traveler.!   Sure its Bits of this and that but thats what keeps it yours..

Seeing the Gaff tape + headliner condition it wasnt worth taping (masking)  it Should have been removed upon respray but the covering needs replaced anyhow... Good engine + gearbox + brakes + suspension sliding windows = long body OH YESSS

It could be a fine buy to tart up and finish! have a useful little wagon!   Yea , I like wagons.

I love Volvo wagons! I've had one on my list of favorite cars since I learned to drive.  I really wanted a 240 as my first car but that didn't pan out. 
How are you liking your Santa Cruz (Bronson?)  I picked up a 5010 this year and it's the bees knees.


Wagon life.   I did some mini work on a Converted Van to a Window van and it was Darn Useful for a few days of Use.
 
    Volvo for life!
  We even got my Mother in Law a wagon for 'baby duty"  also now have a SUV,  XC90 ... not near as FUN as wagons are to drive but its solid.

Santa Cruz Bronson = Simply Heaven.
    I Tested a 5010 too and it was a GREAT bike!.  Broke my other Big Mtn Bike, and needed a 'bigger" bike replacement.     Simply Shreds   the Harder you push it the easier it eats it up.. Mind boggling speed on the tough terrain.

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: jedduh01 on April 06, 2018, 02:35:42 PM
Mini Overload!

Clubby!

Tidy!

(https://s13252.pcdn.co/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/1522933851e40810bf523f24deeeIMG_6604-940x627.jpg)


https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1970-austin-mini-1275gt/ (https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1970-austin-mini-1275gt/)
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jims5543 on April 10, 2018, 08:42:26 PM
Mini Overload!

Clubby!

Tidy!

(https://s13252.pcdn.co/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/1522933851e40810bf523f24deeeIMG_6604-940x627.jpg)


https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1970-austin-mini-1275gt/ (https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1970-austin-mini-1275gt/)

Somewhat local to me. Watching this one in case the bidding stays low. Sadly timing sucks.

Taxes are due next week and I have to pay my last Obamafine and I have to fund my IRA's in order to minimize my Obamafine, there is no money left for playing car.

If this is in a steal neighborhood I might move and take my financial lumps.

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on April 12, 2018, 08:52:30 AM
Well, that blue Inno went for the 2nd bid, I wonder if that car really sold or if it was a mistake on the bidder's part? I guess we'll know if it gets relisted........$15007 was simply ridiculous for that car.

The nice black Clubby is up to $13K, which shows that a truly nice car will bring good money, even with a square nose!   ;D

The little red wagon is up to $4k, I can't imagine it going above $5K with as many problems it now shows - like a square end pipe drain plug that has to have silicone smeared all over it to keep from leaking, more silicone on the transmission case near the shifter and a whole host of other issues. There's a car under this mess, but it will take some skills and some dough to bring it out.

Stan's 2005 is now up to $9K with 6 hours to go, so I'm thinking he should get a nice finish to his auction.....
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on April 12, 2018, 09:08:31 AM
The worse part about the red Estate is the hit it took on the passenger floor, it is totally wrinkled and looks to be hammered out even the fender well looks out of shape. That being said the flip front fits very well and the mechanical's are worth close to the current auction price.
The Clubby looks excellent and for once the colour change looks to have been done correctly but if the auction does not pick up i am sure it will be RNM.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on April 12, 2018, 11:47:45 AM
When I first saw that red wagon on BaT, for about 2 seconds I thought i was seeing my old Traveller.   Seeing the condition Iím glad it is not my old car.   It would have been heartbreaking to see it run down like that. 
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Lone Star Mini on April 12, 2018, 12:32:34 PM
the next time (if ever) I buy a Mini, I'm going to hire you guys for kicking the tires... 
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: gr8kornholio on April 12, 2018, 02:37:24 PM
O I know.  If I'd known half of what I do now I probably wouldn't have bought the one I have or would have offered much less.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on April 12, 2018, 02:49:33 PM
Wow, that lil red wagon sold for $7550, about $2550 more than I thought it was worth.......
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on April 12, 2018, 06:17:32 PM
Yes it kicked up speed towards the end. No reserve auction and it did $3k less than he was originally asking for it.

The black Clubman GT just doubled its bid up to $13k.

Mark Caldwells Spruce green UK Moke is going to be on BaT real soon and it is as perfect as they get so based on what others have done i am thinking it should set a record for a UK Moke imo.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jims5543 on April 17, 2018, 08:35:25 PM
@94touring -- resist the dark side!   ;D

Nice ninja edits now that the auction is over.

I do not hate Skip, I never met the asshole, I do know he does not know how to maintain a car correctly, I have one of his neglected piece of shit cars in my garage.

What you did was unload your mistake on an unsuspecting sucker who purchased in good faith on BAT without a proper PPI. I am sure for a nice tidy profit at that.

I have a rule when it comes to cars, under 10K take your chances, over 10K get a PPI.

I took a wild in the dark chance  that the Mini community was a honest and good one, I did not get a PPI on my 78 Pickup that I paid 12K for sight unseen.

A week after I got it I heard an unsettling rod knock and noticed the oil pressure was alarmingly low.

I nursed it for 1500 miles then pulled the engine. Now, as I dig into this car I see how hobbled together it is.

What a POS. I cannot state how fucked this car is everywhere I look.

A PPI would have flushed out all the major problems with this truck and I would have probably passed. Now I am stuck trying to make it right.

My dilemma is this, after I have it back on the road do I keep it or unload it?

See, every time I look at it I think how much of a sucker I am for buying it like I did. Part of me wants to just get rid of it, with full disclosure and sell at a loss because I am honest like that.  The other part wants to hang on and treat it like a rescue mutt, it has been neglected since it came to the states. I know I can make it right, will I ever profit from it? Probably not.


You made the perfect move, you knew you had a POS Skip car on your hands, you did just enough to unload it, and now the next guy gets to spend all the money, or maybe he will drive it 10 miles and put it back on BAT for the next sucker.


Ironically I purchased a car from BAT, I have a 1981 BMW 320i that I paid way under my 10K limit for PPI's. It has turned out to be one of the best blind purchase I ever made.


I am sure you will never check back here now that you unloaded your car on BAT, it was obvious you were trying to do damage control despite none of us did anything to hurt your auction.

To be honest, I am too busy to notice this shit, I received an email from a guy who is not a member here who was stirring up the pot over this car.

I am sure he will read this, please do not bother to email me with this bullshit internet drama.  I have better things to do with my time.

Good luck to you sir I hope you are OK with what you sold. Maybe the cat was tight, I suspect, since it was a Skip car, we both know it was not.



 
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on April 17, 2018, 09:01:32 PM
I did something similar when I bought my Clubman estate - my own fault, no one else's - but I learned the hard lesson that you are responsible in the end so I bucked up and made a nice car out of it - I wish I still had it sometimes but the guy who bought it from me got a great car and has had a ton of fun with it - he even took it on 6000 miles of MINI Takes the States. In the end I came out OK on it, I lost a little but I'm Ok with it......

So, to your pickup - I say - make a good car out of it - enjoy it if and while you can, then sell it knowing that you've saved another one from the scrapper and now another guy will get to enjoy a great Mini Pup too. With the way prices are going on Minis, esp MKI and the variants like a Pup, you may come out ok on it, and if you don't you got some good fun out of it too?
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on April 24, 2018, 10:44:15 PM
Hey, it's a local Mini on BaT.     Local as in from a Restoration Mini member!

Good luck Chris.  I think your authentic Mk. I Cooper S is going to sell for quite a pretty penny. 

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1967-austin-mini-cooper-s-2/


(https://s13252.pcdn.co/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/5ade5193a5e39_1523891968f9f98764daAustin3-940x607.jpg)
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on April 24, 2018, 10:46:31 PM
I wondered if you saw that too, I just saw it a minute ago.

Beautiful car, def should bring more money than that "barn find" a while back that went for $54K!
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: 94touring on April 24, 2018, 11:31:11 PM
Very nice. Fun to see the mirrors.  Dean posted the same mirrors but mounted off the glass hardware.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: velopackrat on April 25, 2018, 12:10:43 PM
Hey guys,

Thanks for your kind words.  BaT is kind of scary.  Hope I don't regret this... but so far, lots of nice things being said about the work I did.  We'll see.

Chris
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: jedduh01 on April 25, 2018, 12:49:25 PM
Chris.  Good Luck with sale!  Will be a LOng week to watch it!

 == let me know if you want to sell that precious hydro pump!  I probably used more than you did!  77.gif
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on May 27, 2018, 03:08:42 PM
No follow up on that beautiful Mini? $42K was a significant result! Congrats, Chris!

Now there's another pretty Cooper S Mk I on BaT, this one an original US model from 1967.....

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1967-austin-mini-cooper-s-3/ (https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1967-austin-mini-cooper-s-3/)

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on May 30, 2018, 03:31:52 PM
Auction for "1973 Mini Cooper" on BaT comes to a screeching halt when it is pointed out (repeatedly  ::) ) the car is a re-vin.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1973-mini-cooper-s/

(https://s13252.pcdn.co/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/15261774470930ab539b3e9c32caIMG_5546-940x705.jpg)
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on May 30, 2018, 03:34:25 PM
And the red 1967 Mk. I Cooper S is only at $27K with 90 minutes to go. 

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on May 30, 2018, 03:55:43 PM
It wasn't a problem till they started bringing the big bux......look at that woody wagon that just sold - it had a 5 digit vin!

Once the dollars grow so does the scrutiny.

this could be a real problem for the seller - I believe it's a dealership. I don't know if they can go back on the guy who sold it to them or what....clearly they were hoping to cash in on the boom in Mini prices ad I can't blame the for that but they should have done their homework.

And OMG...the red one went RNM at $39,500!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on May 30, 2018, 06:09:16 PM
RNM at $39,500?  Ummm.   That seems a bit crazy to me.   I realize that car is a Cooper S but itís an ex-race car that was extensively rebuilt back into a road car.  So how much of the car as it was in 1967 remains?  Nothing wrong with a restored car - but should there be an expectation that it still has some Cooper S mystique if the car as it appears now is largely sourced from the Mini Spares website?
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on May 30, 2018, 07:54:43 PM
Exactly my thoughts, and the same as a few other posters......
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: d_a_1384 on June 08, 2018, 04:03:00 AM
I need a old car and classic car?
i dont price car
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on June 13, 2018, 01:43:59 PM
There's an incomplete Mini Jem or Mini Marcos on BaT now.  Actually it's on eBay but BaT has featured it.

 https://bringatrailer.com/2018/06/13/in-the-rough-unfinished-mini-jem-project-in-florida

(https://s13252.pcdn.co/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/152884886083f027327d84Mini-Jem-TS-project-for-sale-Left-620x413.jpg)
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on June 13, 2018, 02:49:13 PM
Small block motor that doesn't run, no glass or interior....I would not want to take this on, no way no how......and the bid is up to $3K already.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on June 14, 2018, 08:24:18 PM
The Mini Jem project sold for $5k.  Holy cow.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on June 15, 2018, 07:57:33 PM
Nice MK1 driver quality Mini on BaT, no reserve too...Ö

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1964-austin-mini-cooper-4/#comment-2294840 (https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1964-austin-mini-cooper-4/#comment-2294840)
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on June 15, 2018, 08:13:11 PM
Nice MK1 driver quality Mini on BaT, no reserve too...Ö

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1964-austin-mini-cooper-4/#comment-2294840 (https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1964-austin-mini-cooper-4/#comment-2294840)

So, according to the listing it used to have a 993 (?) engine?   Wow.  A Porsche-engine Mini !!
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on June 15, 2018, 08:15:53 PM
Yeah, BaT and their typos.....makes me think they have pretty non-car folks writing this stuff up..... ::)

But - if I can find the listing - I saw a 63 MK! for sale with a Buick V-6 driving the rear wheels thru a Ford 9" rear end today.....

Rats, the listing is on Facetube, but here are a couple of pics - I think it's on MM too...

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on June 15, 2018, 09:21:23 PM
Wow!  Thatís a remarkably normal looking Mini from outward appearances. Iíd never guess it had that drivetrain.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on June 22, 2018, 05:33:06 PM
Nice MK1 driver quality Mini on BaT, no reserve too...Ö

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1964-austin-mini-cooper-4/#comment-2294840 (https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1964-austin-mini-cooper-4/#comment-2294840)

It sold for $24K !  Itís a Mk. I and a very nice Mini but Wow!   I thought it might go for $18K or so.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on July 03, 2018, 08:23:04 PM
I don't quite know what to think of this one, it has an interesting history, and being an 850 with a magic wand transmission makes it the least desirable Mini in my opinion.


https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1972-mini-850/ (https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1972-mini-850/)
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on July 03, 2018, 08:56:56 PM
I don't quite know what to think of this one, it has an interesting history, and being an 850 with a magic wand transmission makes it the least desirable Mini in my opinion.


https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1972-mini-850/ (https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1972-mini-850/)

Read the comments.  This Mini was installed in an office building and later cut in 3 pieces to remove it.  Then welded back together.   Wow.


Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on July 03, 2018, 09:27:54 PM
Yes, that was the "interesting' part I was talking about   8.gif
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on July 04, 2018, 05:46:47 AM
Yes, that was the "interesting' part I was talking about   8.gif

Ahh.   I thought you were referencing the hippy-dippy roof art.   
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on July 04, 2018, 08:42:30 AM
Did you read how he did the roof art? Built a lazy susan, set the car on it, a friend spun the car while he hung from a rafter over the top of the car and dribbled paint onto it! He says it was done with that dip type paint, so it will peel right off if the new owner doesn't want it - I like it myself.

The car actually seems pretty well sorted, but that welded from 3 pieces would bother me.

Being an 850 too, I don't expect it to go over $6K

Wonder if Newton commercial still makes that awful avocado green carpet?
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on July 06, 2018, 01:12:57 PM
Did you read how he did the roof art? Built a lazy susan, set the car on it, a friend spun the car while he hung from a rafter over the top of the car and dribbled paint onto it! He says it was done with that dip type paint, so it will peel right off if the new owner doesn't want it - I like it myself.

I am a bit skeptical that is how it got painted.  Let's just say a lazy susan big enough and strong enough was made and used.  Can you imagine spinning a Mini around and around and around fast enough to develop sufficient centrifugal force from the center of the car where the paint was supposed dribbled?  How many rpm's do you think you'd need to spin the Mini so as to get the G forces high enough to cause the paint to run to the roof edges?   20 rpms?  More?   I'd like to see that.

Just think of the old carnival painting effect the car supposedly emulates.  In those paintings, the cardboard that the paint was dropped on was spinning at least several hundred rpms.

If I had to recreate the paint effect on another Mini, it would be much easier to dribble one color paint on and then use compressed air to push it to the roof edges.  And on to the next color...
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on July 08, 2018, 01:35:41 PM
Aha!  Just as I thought.  After I questioned the method, a video of the roof being painted has emerged over on BaT.  Spinning didn't work to spread the paint so compressed air was used.

With the Seller being absent from the auction, I think this car will go RNM.

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on July 09, 2018, 05:20:13 PM
Well, that Mini went RNM with bids up to $7K.  Even with the custom painted roof, IMO that's more than fair for a Mini 850 with leaky drum brakes.   
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on July 09, 2018, 06:54:45 PM
Yeah, 850's just don't bring big bucks, an uninvolved seller didn't help. The guy that used to own the car answered more questions than the seller did.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on July 09, 2018, 08:37:21 PM
Yeah, 850's just don't bring big bucks, an uninvolved seller didn't help. The guy that used to own the car answered more questions than the seller did.

And he wanted his old Mini back too.  He would have won it had the reserve been reasonable. 
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on July 18, 2018, 08:07:46 AM
A pair of Mk. I Minis are for sale on BaT.   Actually, it's said to be one Mini and a Mini parts car.   Lots of old and not too useful parts are included too.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1963-austin-mini-cooper-5/

(https://cdn.bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/07/1963_austin_mini_cooper_153055159666e7dff9f98764daaddtext_com_MTIxNzUyMTEzMzE-620x465.jpg)
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on July 18, 2018, 11:17:53 AM
Judging by the wrinkling in the floor and boot floor that shell has been hit hard. It has boot board brackets but is not a Cooper or S vin number just a mash of parts at this point.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: velopackrat on July 18, 2018, 01:03:42 PM
Ton-o-work.  Makes me shudder at the thought of making those shells solid again.  But they are Mk1's so c'mon Bruce, what's your over/under?
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on July 18, 2018, 02:30:23 PM
Ton-o-work.  Makes me shudder at the thought of making those shells solid again.  But they are Mk1's so c'mon Bruce, what's your over/under?

My wild ass guess is that they will go for about $5K-$6K (which will be too much) and be purchased by a starry-eyed dreamer who has bookmarked minimania.com and really doesn't know what he's getting himself into.  He will push them around for a couple of years and then sell them on to the next person. 

As you said, the 'value' is that they are Mk. I cars.  And there is a 1275 there too.   So that, like the floor pans, is a bit of a wrinkle.   ;D   
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: velopackrat on July 18, 2018, 04:03:27 PM
If they were here in DFW and it was a Two-Fer at $1500, I would be your Starry-eyed Dreamer:)  But doing all that work to a non-S strikes me as a money hemorrhaging proposition.  As opposed to most of our Minis, only money losing propositions:)
Maybe it was the racer in those two shells past but someone went to some effort to convert to Cooper S brakes.  I doubt that thing was powered by an 850...
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on July 18, 2018, 04:38:36 PM
I have a trade in running/driving 1275 SPI with rocker and lower door rust and all parts to repair i would sell for $6500.
Yeah it's not a MK 1 but a running and driving 1275 imo is a better bet, maybe i am biased ;)
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on July 19, 2018, 02:44:24 PM
Judging by the lack of bids so far (just one and it is a symbolic $1963) and few comments (with none of them very positive), there doesn't seem to be much interest in these Minis. 

This auction could very well go RNM.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on July 19, 2018, 04:38:41 PM
Except,since it's no reserve, MiniGuy could wind up with it for the initial bid. I thought he didn't even work on them, let alone restore them?
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on July 19, 2018, 08:48:18 PM
Except,since it's no reserve, MiniGuy could wind up with it for the initial bid. I thought he didn't even work on them, let alone restore them?

Díoh!  I somehow missed the no reserve part.  :-[

Yeah, that would be interesting.  I donít think heís ever been prepared to win an auction heís bid on.  He appears on BaT to not-too-subtly mention his Mini consignment services.   If each mention was part of a drinking game weíd all be drunk by now.

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: 94touring on July 19, 2018, 10:04:50 PM
I'm drunk. What do I need to bid?
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: velopackrat on July 20, 2018, 03:52:09 PM
If any of you drunks buy all that junk, sell me the race car shell.  Uh, for $1500.  Cash money!  No, really!  Then you could make a Twinni out of the shell with the 12" wheels... an 850 up front and the 1275 in the back.  Have a bunch of levers like in the cab of an earth mover.  You might need a co pilot just to keep everything in check.

Wait...Dan is a pilot.  Perfect!  Dan! You need more Minis, right?
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: 94touring on July 20, 2018, 04:34:01 PM
Apparantly I didn't bid on anything luckily.  I may be acquiring another shell later this year if anyone is needing one.  Repairs needed, which I imagine I'll do before selling, and should have a title too. 
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on July 23, 2018, 04:11:33 PM
Ton-o-work.  Makes me shudder at the thought of making those shells solid again.  But they are Mk1's so c'mon Bruce, what's your over/under?

My wild ass guess is that they will go for about $5K-$6K (which will be too much) and be purchased by a starry-eyed dreamer who has bookmarked minimania.com and really doesn't know what he's getting himself into.  He will push them around for a couple of years and then sell them on to the next person. 

As you said, the 'value' is that they are Mk. I cars.  And there is a 1275 there too.   So that, like the floor pans, is a bit of a wrinkle.   ;D

Lucky guess on my part.   Some last minute bids and the pair of Minis sold for $5K.   
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: velopackrat on July 24, 2018, 08:20:33 AM
More like your keen eye and razor sharp bullshit meter.  Once again, you're spot on.  Can we bet on you in Vegas?

I figure for buyers, since I was one previously, it's a matter of reference.  This buyer scored two Mk 1 shells for $2500 a piece and he's happy to have won.  Then there are guys like us who know how much labor is involved to get an old shell squared away, not even considering prep and paint.  Dan for example, could write a book on this.  Lot o work.  But I get it, Minis are cool little boxes.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: 94touring on July 24, 2018, 09:55:34 AM
And yet I keep taking on more.  Slave to the mini.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on July 25, 2018, 10:54:26 AM
Tidy little Countryman for sale on BaTÖÖ

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1969-austin-woody/ (https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1969-austin-woody/)


Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on July 27, 2018, 09:27:31 AM
Tidy little Countryman for sale on BaTÖÖ

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1969-austin-woody/ (https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1969-austin-woody/)

Nice wagon.  Too bad about the audio install and the sunroof.  But having a 1275 and disc brakes makes up for some of that.   And the wood looks to be in good shape too.   I have some real doubts that is Snowberry White - much too creamy IMO.  Snowberry White is a lot whiter than Old English White - more like the color of the newer MINI in the background.

If there is momentum, I think bidding on this car will approach the low 20s.  Maybe more.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on July 30, 2018, 02:04:15 PM
I was way off.  The woody Mini just sold for $16,250.   Considering the condition of that car, and the rarity of the model, Iíd say the buyer snagged a deal!   As I said, I think the car was worth at least $20K.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on August 02, 2018, 09:51:58 AM
I thought $16250 was light and was a long way from the $26k he had it advertised for on Mini Mania. I don't think the big stereo set up helped as the front door pockets were cut to mount two speakers in each door.
He said he was selling it to help his autistic grand kid so it was sold for a good cause.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on August 02, 2018, 11:25:53 AM
I think it was well bought at that price, for a car from a dry climate. The sunroof and stereo might not be to everyone's taste, but they looked well done at least.

I know several people who have sold cars recently on BaT and they (BaT) are actively discouraging reserve sales.....I think it cost this guy some money, but OTOH, it might not have sold either.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: gr8kornholio on August 02, 2018, 12:30:37 PM
If they are they aren't doing it everywhere.  That modified red 280z that was done racer style hit $19,800 with RNM.  Was really surprised for a partially restored non register-able car in CA.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MPlayle on August 02, 2018, 01:36:15 PM
It seems very discriminatory as to what cars BaT pushes to "No Reserve".  Very few BMW, Mercedes, Ferrari, Aston, Jaguar and Porsche auctions are "No Reserve".

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on August 02, 2018, 03:32:56 PM
It seems very discriminatory as to what cars BaT pushes to "No Reserve".  Very few BMW, Mercedes, Ferrari, Aston, Jaguar and Porsche auctions are "No Reserve".

Me?  I'd be happy if they would cut down the number of late model Porsches, Mercedes, BMWs, etc. appearing on BaT.   It's getting like a fricken Robb Report.   
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on August 06, 2018, 09:34:11 PM
Another Mini on BaT.  This time it's a Mk. II Cooper S.    Not exactly original (shock!) and a little scruffy - in some of the details - in my opinion.   But no glaring major flaws.  Except it was born a white/black Mini and now is a red/black Mini.   Not sure the world needed another red Mini.   ;D    (hey j/k)   

Being a Cooper S, I think this may go for some big money.  But I've got a feeling the comments to come will focus on all the stuff it is not, like 'original'.  Red gas tanks!?

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1967-austin-mini-cooper-s-4/

(https://cdn.bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/07/5b628ae811f5d_austin_mini_cooper_s_15331846897f9bb215d59ef55611967_austin_mini_cooper_s_1533051048a8a29576DSC00218-1-940x766.jpg)
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on August 06, 2018, 10:19:39 PM
One word...Ö.oversills.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: velopackrat on August 07, 2018, 04:57:42 PM
What's the Bruce Over/Under?  I guess $29,500. 
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on August 07, 2018, 07:07:48 PM
What's the Bruce Over/Under?  I guess $29,500.

I dunno.  Engaged seller vs. observant commenters.   Who will come out on top? 

My wild ass guess is this car will be bid up to the low 20s.  Although the Mk II is very desirable itís not as special as a Mk I with the more interesting interiors and little oval taillights, etc.  And this Mini has been accessorized and modified which will not be to everyoneís taste.  Plus the oversills, which I completely missed in my first look.    Thatís why Iím gonna say low 20s at best. And likely RNM.  Unless several people see a diamond in the rough and go for it.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on August 10, 2018, 03:08:20 PM
Hmmm.  That red Mk. II Cooper S is more than halfway though its 7 day auction.  Comments and bids seem to be at a standstill -- only 28 comments so far, and there have been no new bids over the past several days.  Wonder if there will be more interest in the car as it approaches the end? 
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on August 10, 2018, 04:44:49 PM
I don't know why anyone would bid before the last few minutes.....
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on August 13, 2018, 04:44:29 PM
I don't know why anyone would bid before the last few minutes.....

Good point!


Well.  Surprise, surprise.  It sold for $16,500.    And I am very surprised.  But maybe I shouldn't be.  It's like there was no great effort to prepare the car properly for sale.  It's a classic Mk. II, said to be a authentic Cooper S car, but why does it look like a 1980s Mini with 12" wheels and plastic wheel arches?   

Not sure a Heritage Certificate means much if there is no VIN plate on the car - and no effort to tie the car to the VIN. The seller has owned the Mini for 30 years and did not even know if his Mini had a VIN plate mounted behind the radiator??!?!??!?!?  And he had never heard of oversills and didn't know it had them!?  And oh yeah, now that you asked the seat shown in one of the photos is from a Lancia and doesn't go with the car.  Just WTF?  But assuming it's really a Cooper S under it all, the buyer got a great deal.  Especially if the buyer de-customizes it and gets it back to what it should be.



Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on August 13, 2018, 07:04:43 PM
A nice 91 Mini driver for sale on BaTÖ..  https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1991-mini-mkii-1300/#comment-2436007 (https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1991-mini-mkii-1300/#comment-2436007)

Too bad about the poor paint match and 13 year old tires.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on August 14, 2018, 08:02:11 AM
I wonder if this late model green Ď91 Mini will sell for more than the red Mk. II Cooper S that just sold?  Sounds crazy, but it is possible...
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on August 15, 2018, 08:26:22 AM
I don't know why anyone would bid before the last few minutes.....

Good point!


Well.  Surprise, surprise.  It sold for $16,500.    And I am very surprised.  But maybe I shouldn't be.  It's like there was no great effort to prepare the car properly for sale.  It's a classic Mk. II, said to be a authentic Cooper S car, but why does it look like a 1980s Mini with 12" wheels and plastic wheel arches?   

Not sure a Heritage Certificate means much if there is no VIN plate on the car - and no effort to tie the car to the VIN. The seller has owned the Mini for 30 years and did not even know if his Mini had a VIN plate mounted behind the radiator??!?!??!?!?  And he had never heard of oversills and didn't know it had them!?  And oh yeah, now that you asked the seat shown in one of the photos is from a Lancia and doesn't go with the car.  Just WTF?  But assuming it's really a Cooper S under it all, the buyer got a great deal.  Especially if the buyer de-customizes it and gets it back to what it should be.

I agree the owner seemed like he was out to lunch.
I liked his statement about one day before the auction was ending "i just started the car for the first time this year" really !!!! with an auction ending in a day or two.
I would not be surprised if the new owner sort's the seats, dash, stickers, vin number and generally get's it back to a normal looking MK II S and sells it on for a decent profit.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MPlayle on August 16, 2018, 05:18:02 PM
There is now a red "Moke" listed:

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1967-morris-mini-moke-2/ (https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1967-morris-mini-moke-2/)

This is NOT a 1967 Moke - more likely a "Choke" or late Cagiva Moke.
- 1967 Mokes did not have the factory "trunk" behind the rear seats, that was a feature of Chokes and late 1980's to early 1990's Portuguese and Cagiva Mokes.
- It has the full length tank of the Chokes versus having a single 'cubby hole' in the front of the left side pontoon.
- The fuel filler cap is a small one on the side (as in the later Mokes) versus the large cap on top of a true 1967.
- A true 1967 did not have the front parcel shelves.
- The switches on the instrument pod are all later style rockers.
- The seats are the late style.
- The roll bar (top support) is the later style with integrated seat belt mounts.
- The rear mounts (tensioners) for the top are the very late ratchet style.
- Late style side mirrors (as from Portuguese or Cagiva Mokes).
- Late style "roo bar" bumpers front and rear.
- Late style windshield surround and side screens.
- Stepped out fender edges of early Chokes.
- Has the late style front side-marker lights that a true 1967 did not have.
- Wrong style voltage regulator box.
- Home made VIN tag with insufficient numbers and no plant designation letter at the end.
- Wrong shaped side covers on the front two cubbies of the right side pontoon (they are flat instead of having the dished oval center).
- Front turn signals are the wrong style.

Those are just some of the obvious things that stand out to me.  The early comments are all "dazzled" by the bright red color and bling added.

Edit: I do not have a BaT login, so if anyone here with a BaT login wants to copy the item above and post on BaT, feel free to do so.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Willie_B on August 16, 2018, 05:48:52 PM
After all that was done to it, it still has an 850 in it. Running a HIF44 no less. Lots of very neat go fast and stop quick stuff.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on August 16, 2018, 05:56:46 PM
Malsal piped in, he thinks its a late model Portuguese shell running an early 850.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MPlayle on August 16, 2018, 08:22:27 PM
I just read some of the latest comments and Malcolm (Malsal) and a couple other true Moke folks are revealing it for what it truly is - a tarted up late Portuguese shell with an 850 instead of the original 998 and a false VIN.

The prefix of the VIN is correct, but the serial number portion is wrong.  My Moke is an Oct. 2, 1967 build date and has a seven digit number starting 1073xxx.  No way they produced enough Mokes to roll the number that far up - even if the BaT Moke was built in 1966 as a 1967 model.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on August 16, 2018, 08:42:50 PM
It is a bitzer that's for sure. The one thing that throws me a little is the fixed grille which was only on early UK and Aussie Mokes but maybe the front panel was replaced.
The seats i looked at closer and i believe the rears especially are from a Choke. The pedal box, column, wiring harness, engine/box, rear lights, are all early Moke but the majority of the rest of the parts including the shell are Portuguese.
I can't for the life of me understand why someone would do all this work at great expense and stay with an 850 but to each his own.

Michael. It is weird why they would use flat steel for the pontoon doors when the replacement doors are not expensive.

Brad. The HIF is not installed and would be a waste apart from the fact it would probably be slower.

I am sure it will do well money wise as it looks good and for some insane reason bidders do not seem concerned with made up vin numbers as evidenced by the ex Clubman Woody wagon that sold for big money with a phony vin recently.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on August 16, 2018, 09:32:06 PM
It Must be Mini week on BaT!

67 Mini Cooper S. One thing that caught my eye was that the engine number is stamped into the block rather than on a riveted on tag

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1967-morris-mini-cooper-5/ (https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1967-morris-mini-cooper-5/)
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MPlayle on August 17, 2018, 12:22:18 AM
Engine number stamped into the block is usually a sign the engine has been rebuilt at some point with the block having been hot tanked in the process.  Supposedly, hot tanking the block dissolves the tag.

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on August 17, 2018, 09:54:43 AM
yes, but why wouldn't a Mini-centric company like Jet Motors not make a new tag? I mean, they could make the block number match a cert from another car easily enough.....

The one answer I can offer is that those damn rivets are HARD. I tried to drill them out of another engine once and broke 3 drill bits trying to get them out....didn't succeed either.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on August 17, 2018, 11:36:12 AM
And the hits keep coming!   This is now the fourth Mini currently offered on BaT.   It really is Mini week!

This Mini has been built up as a tribute to AJB44B, the famous works Mini Cooper S that was entered in the 1964 Apline Rally, the 1964 Tour de France (obviously not the bike race), the and 1964 RAC Rally.  It was DNF in all of them.  Then came the 1965 Monte Carlo Rally where AJB44B really redeemed itself by coming in 1st.  And it was promptly retired by BMC and kept as a display car for promotional purposes.  Fifty-three years later it currently is on display at the Heritage Museum at Gaydon - I saw it there a couple of months ago.

Looks to me to be that this replica/tribute is well done.  I wonder how a Mini presented like this will do?  Does it attract more buyers?  Or is it too much of a niche?


https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1960-mini-mk-i/


(https://cdn.bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/5b7358461a3d7_mini_mk_i_1533169319cfcd2IMG_4291-2_Fotor-940x620.jpg)

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on August 17, 2018, 01:52:23 PM
They unscrew Dave. I use a sharp scraper and with a couple of hammer blows they shear off.
The only trouble with a stamped into the block engine number is you are not sure that you are buying the correct car and engine package or if it was just copied off the Heritage certificate.
Also the vin plate is hand stamped from the top side you would think they would have made one up correctly with the reverse stamping.
By the looks of the receipts Jet Motors / Jeremy Thorpe is doing well with these restorations.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on August 17, 2018, 02:33:28 PM
How do you unscrew them when they are already sheared off flush with the block, and you can't drill into them?

And yes, Jet Motors is featuring prominently in a number of auctions these days.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on August 18, 2018, 11:17:42 AM
You can't unscrew them it they are sheared off i was just offering a solution if they can't be removed. Are you sure the ones you tried to drill out were original as i can't imagine the ones i have sheared off with a scraper were that hard?
I had a Mini engine here once and it had a 998cc engine number on the block and was clearly a 1275cc with a HIF 44 and a 12G940 head on it and ran like a bat out of hell, it ended up that the engine plate was glued onto the block with the tops of the rivets glued on also and they looked like they had been cut with cutting pliers to me. The back story was it was used in local hill climbs in the UK and was maybe cheating a little LOL.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on August 18, 2018, 11:22:26 AM
Like you can't tell a 1275 from a 998 just by looking at it!  Lol   ;D

Well, maybe I'll give it another go, but I sure didn't have any luck the first time I tried it......
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on August 19, 2018, 04:13:12 PM
I didn't want to say anything on the BaT listing, but did anyone look at those Jet Motors invoices on the Moke? Holy Crap on a cracker!

57 hours @$100 to change the suspension, brakes, exhaust, and fit a new ignition system Ö..and the part prices! Wow!
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on August 19, 2018, 04:33:43 PM
I didn't want to say anything on the BaT listing, but did anyone look at those Jet Motors invoices on the Moke? Holy Crap on a cracker!

57 hours @$100 to change the suspension, brakes, exhaust, and fit a new ignition system Ö..and the part prices! Wow!

I saw there were invoiced, but I didn't look into them.  But wow.  Just WOW.   I would bet that Heritage Garage has similar pricing since they are direct competitors.  You've got to be really un-handy with tools, or made of money, to pay crazy money like that.   
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: gr8kornholio on August 19, 2018, 04:46:54 PM
Yea, and $100 an hour is fairly cheap these days.  Dan, you didn't read that, OK!  They probably got the parts from mania or 7 and marked them up 15-20%.  Why buy the cheaper parts to mark up, lol.  That's why I'm sure on that Speed New Black mini she had to have well over 50K in it cause I can bet you they are well over $100 an hour. 
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on August 19, 2018, 04:56:49 PM
  They probably got the parts from mania or 7 and marked them up 15-20%.  Why buy the cheaper parts to mark up, lol.

Because more markup = more $$$.  And it sure looks like they like $$$$.   If they bought parts from the UK, they'd get a nice 'motor trade' discount off the retail UK prices (which, as we know, are 1/2 to 1/3 of the prices that Minimania and Seven charge dumb Americans) so room for even more markup. 
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: 94touring on August 19, 2018, 05:01:56 PM
If anyone is curious I'm $50 and don't mark up parts. 
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MPlayle on August 19, 2018, 06:06:59 PM
Actually, most of the US based Mini parts suppliers (Heritage, 7Ent, Mania, etc.) do NOT receive a "trade" discount.  They buy the same parts we can from the same UK suppliers.  They then add in shipping to their location and then their markup on top of that to set the price the charge to us.

Most of the US based Mini parts suppliers also do not offer any "trade" discount to repair shops ordering from them.

I learned this back when I lived in Ft. Collins, Colorado and hung out with the folks that owned and ran The Motorway Ltd. (a British car service and restoration shop).  The only parts supplier that gave them a "trade" discount was Moss Motors. 

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: 94touring on August 19, 2018, 06:16:50 PM
Well they can get knockoff panels at about 25% cheaper than what spares advertises.  Heritage panels too for that matter, though heritage sets the price on what you resell at. I know because I bought 2 big shipments worth.  I also had a wholesale thing going on with Leacy for awhile and was getting roughly 25% off as well.  Problem is it's a pita to stock and sell that many mini parts for the minimal amount of profit you make, at least for a guy like me with a job.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on August 19, 2018, 07:00:00 PM
Well, I blame the owner for not at least checking some of this stuff themselves, but holy markup Batman.....those parts prices were absolutely nuts!

I also charge $50/hr and I think that's reasonable for the expertise level I bring. I'm also pretty liberal on the time I charge.....
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: 94touring on August 19, 2018, 08:00:27 PM
Plus we don't have overhead!
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on August 19, 2018, 08:02:58 PM
Actually, most of the US based Mini parts suppliers (Heritage, 7Ent, Mania, etc.) do NOT receive a "trade" discount.  They buy the same parts we can from the same UK suppliers.  They then add in shipping to their location and then their markup on top of that to set the price the charge to us.


Hmmmm.  I am somewhat skeptical of that.   From what I understand some loosely based Mini clubs such as the Mini Forum and others get a 7.5% discount at MiniSpares, right?  And I know a guy back in the 1990s who sort of ran a backyard ďMini repair shopĒ.   He had business cards made up at Kinkos and presented one as proof of his ďbusinessĒ.  He was offered, and took, a nice trade discount from MS at the time.  I benefited from his discount on some orders I made back then.   I really canít see Don Racine, who has been buying in bulk from MiniSpares for over 4 decades, paying full retail there.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MPlayle on August 20, 2018, 12:18:00 AM
It was many years ago, when Mini Spares and Mini Mania had their "falling out" and separated their websites, that I heard the information.  It may have changed since then.

If they are getting a "trade" discount, then their mark up seems even bigger and "overhead" just does not seem to fully explain it away.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on August 20, 2018, 08:54:12 AM
There's an interesting turn of events on the Moke auction.  The dealer selling the Moke acknowledges that the 1990s Cagiva Moke body with the Austin Moke VIN (and drivetrain) and the Morris Moke title, (my words, not his) may not exactly be a 1967 Morris Mini Moke, entirely.  He's offered to look for the hidden VIN on the body and post photos of it.  That's very upfront.  I wonder if the body has (or had) a hidden VIN stamped on it.  I would think that Portugal, being part of the EU, would have required hidden VIN stamping by the 1990s.  But then again, Portugal is not exactly known as a automotive manufacturing powerhouse.


I wonder how this discussion is going to affect the auction?  I'm guessing interested buyers are happy to overlook this. 
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on August 20, 2018, 09:24:40 AM
Well, all the buyers seem to think an 850 Moke with a ton of go fast look goodies somehow is a performance car! So I'm guessing that they don't really care - after all several people have pointed that info out to them already and the bids just keep climbing.

I think some people feel that if you spend enough money on a car it's worth that and more - I believe in the market, not the expenditures.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Whee on August 20, 2018, 10:47:39 AM
Well, all the buyers seem to think an 850 Moke with a ton of go fast look goodies somehow is a performance car! So I'm guessing that they don't really care - after all several people have pointed that info out to them already and the bids just keep climbing.

I think some people feel that if you spend enough money on a car it's worth that and more - I believe in the market, not the expenditures.

I'm feeling quite good about what I paid for my Moke based on this :) We shall see if that holds up when I actually see it in person. It was a semi-blind purchase - I had an acquaintance inspect it on my behalf.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on August 20, 2018, 11:29:17 AM
Bruce, you really think the green car on BaT is a $23K car? I'm thinking it will bring $13,500 to $15K
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on August 20, 2018, 12:06:47 PM
Bruce, you really think the green car on BaT is a $23K car? I'm thinking it will bring $13,500 to $15K

I was saying that it possibly could sell more for than the recent authentic Mk II Cooper S which sold for only $16,500 (because it wasnít presented very well for what it is).   I think you are right in line on this car.  My guess is this will be bid up to $13K to $15K.  There are no real negatives on this car, but I think the seller could have done more to play up the fact that this is an authentic later generation Mini Cooper.  Not just a Mini. 
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on August 20, 2018, 12:44:47 PM
I've been reading thru the invoices on the Red MkII, that guy spent a shed load of money at Jet Motors on the car in 2013, and spent another shed load at another shop this year, much of which was correcting what was done wrong at Jet Motors! No wonder he's selling the car! Someone will be getting a well sorted finished car tho
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on August 20, 2018, 03:19:48 PM
Man they are flagging comments on the Moke right and left.....anyone know who "Werewolf" on BaT is?
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MPlayle on August 20, 2018, 03:24:14 PM
"Werewolf" is the screen name for Bill Cox (runs Monte Carlo Minis in Earl, NC.).  He is a know trouble maker and rabble-rouser on several forums.  He uses the same username on the Mini Mania forum where he has been banned many times over the years.

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on August 20, 2018, 03:24:43 PM
Man they are flagging comments on the Moke right and left.....anyone know who "Werewolf" on BaT is?
Yeah, I figured it out earlier today.  It's Bill Cox.  North Carolina-based long time importer of less than pristine Minis and flagrant self-promoter.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on August 20, 2018, 03:25:31 PM
Dang.  Michael beat my response by mere seconds!    ;D
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on August 20, 2018, 03:35:56 PM
What about Dr Mini?
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on August 20, 2018, 03:49:13 PM
What about Dr Mini?
Is he the same Dr. Mini who posts here?   
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on August 20, 2018, 03:59:05 PM
11 min left on the green Mini, $13,250 bid, biddings getting busy....wonder if it will go higher than I thought?
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: gr8kornholio on August 20, 2018, 04:01:09 PM
Yea the seller of the restored S called out werewolf in the comments about why he seems to have  a beef with them.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on August 20, 2018, 04:02:25 PM
Yea the seller of the restored S called out werewolf in the comments about why he seems to have  a beef with them.

He's just that kind of guy.  He'd have a beef with Mother Theresa. 
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on August 20, 2018, 04:05:07 PM
11 min left on the green Mini, $13,250 bid, biddings getting busy....wonder if it will go higher than I thought?
It's at $14.5K now.  And not done yet I suspect. 
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Whee on August 20, 2018, 04:12:59 PM
Wow! Prices have gone crazy. I think I may be a little under uninsured on my Minis. Maybe agreed value of $12k on my "S' is a little under...
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MPlayle on August 20, 2018, 04:13:56 PM
The "Dr. Mini" is the same as sometimes posts here: Hugh Cannon.

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on August 20, 2018, 04:14:04 PM
A little more than I expected, but it's still a  nice car



Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on August 20, 2018, 04:15:13 PM
Bruce, you really think the green car on BaT is a $23K car? I'm thinking it will bring $13,500 to $15K

I was saying that it possibly could sell more for than the recent authentic Mk II Cooper S which sold for only $16,500 (because it wasnít presented very well for what it is).   I think you are right in line on this car.  My guess is this will be bid up to $13K to $15K.  There are no real negatives on this car, but I think the seller could have done more to play up the fact that this is an authentic later generation Mini Cooper.  Not just a Mini.

Well, it came true.   A 1990s Mini Cooper sold for higher than a Mk. II Cooper S.   Wow.  $17K wining bid.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Whee on August 20, 2018, 04:16:34 PM
Bruce, you really think the green car on BaT is a $23K car? I'm thinking it will bring $13,500 to $15K

I was saying that it possibly could sell more for than the recent authentic Mk II Cooper S which sold for only $16,500 (because it wasnít presented very well for what it is).   I think you are right in line on this car.  My guess is this will be bid up to $13K to $15K.  There are no real negatives on this car, but I think the seller could have done more to play up the fact that this is an authentic later generation Mini Cooper.  Not just a Mini.

Well, it came true.   A 1990s Mini Cooper sold for higher than a Mk. II Cooper S.   Wow.  $17K wining bid.

Well, to be fair a non-rusty 1990's Cooper is harder to find than a non-rusty earlier Cooper :)
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on August 20, 2018, 04:18:15 PM
Wow! Prices have gone crazy. I think I may be a little under uninsured on my Minis. Maybe agreed value of $12k on my "S' is a little under...

Ummm..  yeah!  ;D   I suspect that restored Mk. I Cooper S on BaT will easily be bid into the $30Ks.  If not higher.  Of course some of this depends on how the comments go, but with the body number revealed to be the same as on the Heritage Certificate, it looks to be a genuine Cooper S. 
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on August 20, 2018, 04:18:58 PM
Bruce, you really think the green car on BaT is a $23K car? I'm thinking it will bring $13,500 to $15K

I was saying that it possibly could sell more for than the recent authentic Mk II Cooper S which sold for only $16,500 (because it wasnít presented very well for what it is).   I think you are right in line on this car.  My guess is this will be bid up to $13K to $15K.  There are no real negatives on this car, but I think the seller could have done more to play up the fact that this is an authentic later generation Mini Cooper.  Not just a Mini.

Well, it came true.   A 1990s Mini Cooper sold for higher than a Mk. II Cooper S.   Wow.  $17K wining bid.

Well, to be fair a non-rusty 1990's Cooper is harder to find than a non-rusty earlier Cooper :)

True dat.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: drmini on August 20, 2018, 05:12:18 PM
Yes, looks like the genuine thing.  Original German spec Cooper S.  Shame someone spent $40k restoring that and that's how the floors turned out?  Pathetic!  Also, they should have painted the bottom body color and shelled out the meager cost of getting reverse stamped VIN and engine number plates.  I think anyone spending stupic money would be put off by these little irregularities.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: velopackrat on August 20, 2018, 06:09:39 PM
Agreed on the floors of that red S.  I looked through those pics and wondered who the heck did that nasty floor repair?  Did they let the new kid loose on that thing?  Why would you not take the time to line up the ridges?  I mean heck, it's a lot of work either way!  The welding looks like they used a wire welder with no gas bottle.  And the black paint over undercoating?  I dunnoÖ the little car deserved better. 

I guess we have to wait a couple of days to get the answer as to whether buyers care about that stuff like we do.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Whee on August 20, 2018, 06:56:43 PM
Wow! Prices have gone crazy. I think I may be a little under uninsured on my Minis. Maybe agreed value of $12k on my "S' is a little under...

Ummm..  yeah!  ;D   I suspect that restored Mk. I Cooper S on BaT will easily be bid into the $30Ks.  If not higher.  Of course some of this depends on how the comments go, but with the body number revealed to be the same as on the Heritage Certificate, it looks to be a genuine Cooper S.

Well, to be fair $12k is more than I paid for it <G>
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on August 21, 2018, 08:37:46 AM
Agreed on the floors of that red S.  I looked through those pics and wondered who the heck did that nasty floor repair?  Did they let the new kid loose on that thing?  Why would you not take the time to line up the ridges?  I mean heck, it's a lot of work either way!  The welding looks like they used a wire welder with no gas bottle.  And the black paint over undercoating?  I dunnoÖ the little car deserved better. 

I guess we have to wait a couple of days to get the answer as to whether buyers care about that stuff like we do.

Also if you look at the original floor next to where the new one was stitched in it is badly wrinkled, the way to go on this build would have been to replace and use full length floors.
The other bad repair i see is the use of several compression fittings on the hydro brake or fuel lines, at a $40k level of restoration these should have been replaced and are a definite no no on brake lines.
The only people making out on the two Mini auctions is Jet Motors and BaT with their listing/sale fees.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: gr8kornholio on August 21, 2018, 10:46:17 AM
And this is why I bought the Aussie specific panel for my floor.  It cost more to ship than the panel and the panel was probably 2-3X the UK version.  But it didn't line up right and was missing the bolt holes for the under floor trays. I was willing to pay to have the uk one removed and replaced with the aussie one.  I did because I'd know and someone would notice.  Thanks to my professional guy for pointing it out too and giving me the option to change it.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on August 21, 2018, 02:30:01 PM
And this is why I bought the Aussie specific panel for my floor.  It cost more to ship than the panel and the panel was probably 2-3X the UK version.  But it didn't line up right and was missing the bolt holes for the under floor trays. I was willing to pay to have the uk one removed and replaced with the aussie one.  I did because I'd know and someone would notice.  Thanks to my professional guy for pointing it out too and giving me the option to change it.

It is all in the details you did the right thing imo and as the saying goes if you are going to do the job do it right.
I don't know if Later MK 3 through 7 floors are different but i had thought for the most part apart from very early cars they are the same if they are not maybe the wrong ones were used.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: gr8kornholio on August 21, 2018, 03:07:22 PM
Agreed.

When he fitted the new aussie pan he was excited at how oversized it was.  Maybe the UK ones are kind of small and the rot was to one side so they shifted the panel instead of adding a filler piece.  Only speculation.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Whee on August 21, 2018, 03:54:40 PM
And this is why I bought the Aussie specific panel for my floor.  It cost more to ship than the panel and the panel was probably 2-3X the UK version.  But it didn't line up right and was missing the bolt holes for the under floor trays. I was willing to pay to have the uk one removed and replaced with the aussie one.  I did because I'd know and someone would notice.  Thanks to my professional guy for pointing it out too and giving me the option to change it.

The under-floor trays? Are you referring to the "tunnels" for the hydro pipes?
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: gr8kornholio on August 21, 2018, 04:17:05 PM
yea those. 
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Whee on August 21, 2018, 05:22:20 PM
yea those.

I believe they used to put a cover on to fully protect the pipes, but I've never been able to confirm if that was a factory thing, or an add-on.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: gr8kornholio on August 21, 2018, 05:52:38 PM
Based on the floor pan I bought it was factory from 65 to 72 I believe. Mustíve had rock problems down under.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Whee on August 21, 2018, 06:19:02 PM
Based on the floor pan I bought it was factory from 65 to 72 I believe. Mustíve had rock problems down under.

Yeah, lots of gravel roads back then. My 68 has the same floor. I believe the floor is original on mine.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on August 21, 2018, 06:34:44 PM
Based on the floor pan I bought it was factory from 65 to 72 I believe. Mustíve had rock problems down under.

I seem to remember your old floor had some weird man-made holes and butchery too.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: 94touring on August 21, 2018, 07:05:50 PM
Maybe it's a factory Aussie thing cause the 66 S in my shop doesn't have them either.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: gr8kornholio on August 21, 2018, 07:15:43 PM
It was more layers than holes.  Think Dan said he removed 3 layers from the right side.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: 94touring on August 21, 2018, 07:57:26 PM
2 layers on the left pan, 2 on the right, and 3 on the heel board.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MPlayle on August 23, 2018, 04:35:17 PM
The contentious red Moke went RNM - not surprising. 

What was surprising to me: the last bid was $33K and it still went RNM!

It makes me wonder what my white Moke would go for.

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on August 23, 2018, 04:55:35 PM
$33K for that Moke and the seller passed?????? What a maroon!

And the guy with the red Cooper S passed on $36K What the hell is wrong with these people?  :-[
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on August 23, 2018, 05:36:08 PM
Greed. 

Surprised BaT let them set up the reserve that high.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MPlayle on August 23, 2018, 05:58:32 PM
I can't imagine what the seller thinks that red Moke should sell for.  I tend to agree with Bruce that "greed" has worked its way into some of these Mini auctions.

Mine has many of the same "upgrades" as the red Moke, but is a genuine UK Moke (a fully proper MK-II UK Moke replacement shell that truly matched factory spec. for 1967) and has the proper VIN tag and Heritage Certificate to prove it correct.  I guess I don't have the "greed" gene as I would be happy if mine got to that kind of price in an auction.



Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: velopackrat on August 23, 2018, 09:51:14 PM
And the red Morris Cooper S was RNM as well.  I thought the final bids were about right, high even.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Whee on August 24, 2018, 12:16:41 AM
I am just mind boggled by Moke prices recently. I wanted Mark Caldwalls Moke really badly and was the second high bidder on BAT on it. I bid it 5k higher than I thought it was worth (well actually I was in a work meeting, so my wife bid it up) because I wanted it, and I still lost.

We will see what my Ebay UK moke looks like, but unless it is a complete rust bucket I am feeling I have a bargain. Well under $20k USD to my door...
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on August 24, 2018, 09:04:55 AM
And that's a staggering amount of money for a Moke too, IMHO!

But it does give justification to Mplayle and WillieB for ordering new body shells and spending that money on theirs...I expect they'll have about that in theirs time they're done.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on August 24, 2018, 12:15:55 PM
Mokes have have been priced at a premium for a while.  I sold my Ď66 Moke back in 1995 for $12K.  That was a pretty healthy price back then compared to regular Minis.  So good Moke prices are not a new thing.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on August 24, 2018, 12:24:25 PM
The rally tribute Mini is up to $15k with an hour to go.  My guess is that it will hit $20K.  But kinda hard to tell how many buyers it will appeal to.    Not an ordinary Mini. 
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on August 24, 2018, 01:26:44 PM
$33K for that Moke and the seller passed?????? What a maroon!

And the guy with the red Cooper S passed on $36K What the hell is wrong with these people?  :-[

Same guy both auctions Dave. Both those cars were bid over what they were worth which is common on BaT and ok imo when they are 100% nice or correct which neither one of these were not.

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on August 24, 2018, 01:34:37 PM
The rally tribute Mini is up to $15k with an hour to go.  My guess is that it will hit $20K.  But kinda hard to tell how many buyers it will appeal to.    Not an ordinary Mini.

A lot of negative comments mostly just nit picking especially from one guy who has been told by the owner that it is his auction and to shut up.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on August 24, 2018, 02:19:22 PM
The rally Mini was RNM at $16K.  I guess not everyone wants a replica, no matter how very nice it is.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: henrikthecat on August 24, 2018, 02:22:34 PM
That was (and is) my little rally replica. :) It was way too cheap a bid to sell for that amount, it's definitely worth more. Only reason for sale is a desire to get a Cooper or Cooper S as standard as possible. I want my kid to drive it, and can't really see him handling a RHD car anyway, never mind a rally replica.

It's for sale if anybody is interested.

Ooooohhh. And if you know who hectoral5 is, don't tell me. I don't want an arrest record.

Haha.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on August 24, 2018, 02:27:28 PM
Too bad about the RNM.  Definitely worth more.  Iím sure it will find a new home
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on August 24, 2018, 02:51:36 PM
Welcome to the forum Henrikthecat!
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: 94touring on August 24, 2018, 03:01:25 PM
Looked like a nice car to me.  I didn't get all the shitty comments.   
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on August 24, 2018, 03:08:35 PM
$33K for that Moke and the seller passed?????? What a maroon!

And the guy with the red Cooper S passed on $36K What the hell is wrong with these people?  :-[

Same guy both auctions Dave. Both those cars were bid over what they were worth which is common on BaT and ok imo when they are 100% nice or correct which neither one of these were not.

right, said he's a dealer too....said he's sold over 7000 cars over the last 10 years, but I find that hard to believe- that's 700 a year, almost 60 a month. That's a lot of cars unless you're a Toyota dealer.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Whee on August 24, 2018, 04:53:15 PM
That was (and is) my little rally replica. :) It was way too cheap a bid to sell for that amount, it's definitely worth more. Only reason for sale is a desire to get a Cooper or Cooper S as standard as possible. I want my kid to drive it, and can't really see him handling a RHD car anyway, never mind a rally replica.

It's for sale if anybody is interested.

Ooooohhh. And if you know who hectoral5 is, don't tell me. I don't want an arrest record.

Haha.

It's a pretty niche buyer you have to find to get the value from the car. Most ppl don't understand how much the replica stuff costs to buy.

People who want a replica tend to fall into 2 camps.

1) Check book buyer - they want it all done and perfect so they can roll up at a show - so little things like a non-functional tach really put them off
2) Enthusiast - tends to want to start with a base car and buy all the bits themselves

I think you hit the bargain hunters.

Some of the comments were a bit out of order and certainly didn't help the sale. You presented it as a tribute, not a replica.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Righteous on August 25, 2018, 01:11:01 AM
@henrikthecat
1. How much is the rally gear worth? In order to get the most out of your investment, selling those pieces separately might yield the greatest return.
2. You said itís for sale now. How much are you wanting for the car?
3. There were a few things that kept me (and maybe others) from bidding. 1) A previous owner had mentioned absent floor boards and rear-end damage, but you were unaware. 2) There was not sufficient photography of those areas of concern. There appeared to be repair to at least the left front floorboard and the battery box. 3) Some of the previous repairs were not of the highest caliber- rough welding on the battery box, red paint  overspray at the rear. 4) These are not necessarily deal breakers, but they breed uncertainty
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: paulmc130 on August 25, 2018, 05:28:56 AM
The rally car is on eBay now. $23k OBO.[/font]

https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com%2Fulk%2Fitm%2F292696213611[/font]

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on August 25, 2018, 07:36:26 AM
Henrik, what are the two T-Handle wrenches in the back window for?
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: henrikthecat on August 25, 2018, 07:57:26 AM
They're tire wrenches. The works cars had them, not a lot of room for tools so they put them where they could get them.

Henrik, what are the two T-Handle wrenches in the back window for?
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: henrikthecat on August 25, 2018, 08:21:00 AM
You know... I spent 25 minutes writing out a lengthy reply to you (honestly). Then realized "what's the point?".

Best of luck to you.

@henrikthecat
1. How much is the rally gear worth? In order to get the most out of your investment, selling those pieces separately might yield the greatest return.
2. You said itís for sale now. How much are you wanting for the car?
3. There were a few things that kept me (and maybe others) from bidding. 1) A previous owner had mentioned absent floor boards and rear-end damage, but you were unaware. 2) There was not sufficient photography of those areas of concern. There appeared to be repair to at least the left front floorboard and the battery box. 3) Some of the previous repairs were not of the highest caliber- rough welding on the battery box, red paint  overspray at the rear. 4) These are not necessarily deal breakers, but they breed uncertainty
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: henrikthecat on August 25, 2018, 08:24:50 AM
Thank you!

Welcome to the forum Henrikthecat!
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Righteous on August 25, 2018, 10:24:29 AM
"what's the point?".



1. Enlightenment
2. Iíd hate to see your 25 min composition go to waste
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on August 25, 2018, 10:27:43 AM
Righteous, are you in the Lawrence All British Car Club? If so we may know each other.....
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: henrikthecat on August 25, 2018, 10:29:12 AM
Surely you missed the "self" part off of your username.

"what's the point?".



1. Enlightenment
2. Iíd hate to see your 25 min composition go to waste
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: henrikthecat on August 25, 2018, 05:59:49 PM
It sold to the first person who came and saw it last night. Thanks all.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on August 25, 2018, 06:12:39 PM
Wow, well done. Are you going to stay in our little community here? I'm sure you'll have another Mini soon, if you don't already.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: henrikthecat on August 26, 2018, 08:48:16 AM
I am actually looking for a nice Cooper or Cooper S. We'll see, I guess.

Wow, well done. Are you going to stay in our little community here? I'm sure you'll have another Mini soon, if you don't already.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Righteous on August 26, 2018, 11:47:06 AM
Surely you missed the "self" part off of your username.




No need for unpleasantries. With regards to these online auctions, transparency should be encouraged, not met with hostility.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Righteous on August 26, 2018, 11:50:59 AM
Righteous, are you in the Lawrence All British Car Club? If so we may know each other.....


I havenít attended any meetings yet. Btw, thanks for the machine shop recommendations. I am working with Prather.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on August 26, 2018, 11:55:29 AM
Perfect, they'll do an excellent job for you.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on August 28, 2018, 06:43:49 PM
Now on BaT is the most original Mk. I Cooper S I have ever seen, I think.  This car was owned (still owned?) the owners of MiniCity and is even more remarkable that it was not "improved" or customized, or accessorized since they sold all sorts of Mini goodies.   

Some 40+ years ago I was a frequent customer of MiniCity, back when there was no MiniMania, or Seven Enterprises (or MiniSpares for that matter). 

Baring some unforeseen drama, I think this original, unrestored Cooper S will be bid up into the $40Ks, or higher.  It's a true time capsule car.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1964-austin-cooper-s-2

(https://cdn.bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/5b849f41cec76_austin_cooper_s_153323063266e7dff9f98764daspring-2018-940x575.jpg)
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Whee on August 28, 2018, 07:01:50 PM
Now on BaT is the most original Mk. I Cooper S I have ever seen, I think.  This car was owned (still owned?) the owners of MiniCity and is even more remarkable that it was not "improved" or customized, or accessorized since they sold all sorts of Mini goodies.   

Some 40+ years ago I was a frequent customer of MiniCity, back when there was no MiniMania, or Seven Enterprises (or MiniSpares for that matter). 

Baring some unforeseen drama, I think this original, unrestored Cooper S will be bid up into the $40Ks, or higher.  It's a true time capsule car.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1964-austin-cooper-s-2

(https://cdn.bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/5b849f41cec76_austin_cooper_s_153323063266e7dff9f98764daspring-2018-940x575.jpg)

We wants it precious, we wants it.

I've bought 3 Minis so far this year, but I still don't have an Austin! This one would be perfect. Not so nice that it can't be driven, but just right! If only I'd had the garage space I had now 10 years ago when prices were so much lower...
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on August 29, 2018, 06:20:30 AM
Six days left in the auction and there was just a huge jump in the bids on that original Cooper S, nearly doubling the last one.  Itís up to $27K now!
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: velopackrat on August 29, 2018, 02:58:43 PM
Wow.  Unreal.  How the heck did the thing make it all this time without being molested?  The photos alone are worth $$ to anyone trying to restore one.  I'll wager it goes above $50K.   
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on August 29, 2018, 03:51:59 PM
At $29K now, about to crest over $30K and 5 days to go...Ö..to me this shows what a premium people are putting on originality these days.

Where will it all end?

Porsches are over the moon expensive, old Ferraris are in outer space, old Alfas and Lancias heading thru the stratospere, Corvettes are climbing and even our cheap little throwaway Minis are getting nutso expensive......
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on August 29, 2018, 05:21:03 PM
Wow.  Unreal.  How the heck did the thing make it all this time without being molested?  The photos alone are worth $$ to anyone trying to restore one.  I'll wager it goes above $50K.

Yeah, I think you are right.   A running, driving totally original Mk. I Cooper S is a rare think indeed.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on August 29, 2018, 06:06:31 PM
And another Mini shows up on BaT.  This one is not pretending to anything other than what it is.   The big unknown at this time is the condition of the body - no undercar photos are shown, yet. 

Wonder if it will get some sort of 'bounce' from the much more expensive Mk. I Cooper S being sold at the same time? Definitely different Minis, but this could appeal to someone who gets pumped up about the other car, but wants something more affordable.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1977-mini-mk-iv/

(https://cdn.bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/1977_mini_mk_iv_1535480110a8ba3b973450bf6aScreen-Shot-2018-08-28-at-11.13.55-AM-940x706.png)
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: gr8kornholio on August 29, 2018, 06:34:19 PM
And probably drivable.  No ones going to drive that s.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on August 29, 2018, 06:58:36 PM
Wonder what the reserve is on this, $15K?
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: velopackrat on August 29, 2018, 08:57:51 PM
MiniDave,

To mirror what you said, the market is beyond the norm and not just for Minis.  Much like the stock market.  So guess what?  If/when a correction takes place, these high water marks we're seeing will come back down.  Not that it helps us working class Mini nuts. And while gold and diamonds take up little space and hold value, you can't drive them:(
I'll store this built 1275 motor a bit longer then, hoping for a cheap shell to come along.  They sound so good at 6K rpm...
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on August 29, 2018, 10:07:51 PM
Wonder what the reserve is on this, $15K?

That might be high for this car.  But without showing any photos of the typical Mini rust areas, it is impossible to determine if this is closer to a $9K Mini ó or a $15K one.

Itís almost like some people set themselves up for poor results on BaT on purpose.  If you have any exposure at all to viewing BaT auctions, you know that potential buyers demand to learn everything they can about the car being offered.  So why even begin an auction and avoid presenting important information such as under body photos?
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on August 29, 2018, 10:30:49 PM
MiniDave,

To mirror what you said, the market is beyond the norm and not just for Minis.  Much like the stock market.  So guess what?  If/when a correction takes place, these high water marks we're seeing will come back down.  Not that it helps us working class Mini nuts. And while gold and diamonds take up little space and hold value, you can't drive them:(
I'll store this built 1275 motor a bit longer then, hoping for a cheap shell to come along.  They sound so good at 6K rpm...

My grandson who's also a car nut can't wait for the correction to happen, he's got his eyes on some 60's muscle cars. Just waiting for the boomers to start loosing their licenses so he can scoop something up at pennies on the dollar.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: gr8kornholio on August 30, 2018, 02:03:44 PM
Here's some originality insanery for you.  20K for a 182K mile 100 HP 4x4.  Seriously, you could build an non original version of this for probably a 1/4 of that and have a 10x better vehicle.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1982-toyota-4x4-pickup-8/
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on August 30, 2018, 02:17:42 PM
$8500 bid to $19,999...Ö.what's up with that?
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: gr8kornholio on August 30, 2018, 02:35:28 PM
I posted something about eBay mentality, but others then stated he'd done these type of "knock out" bids before.  I just don't get it.  Of course the guy selling it just bought it from the OG owner a year ago.  No way he paid more than 5K for it.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on August 30, 2018, 03:18:34 PM
That's crazy money for that Toyota pickup.  Somebody watched that TopGear segment too many times.



Meanwhile, over at the original '64 Cooper S auction, a couple of comments, one after the other, just got flagged as non-constructive.  Wonder what's going on with that?
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on August 30, 2018, 03:22:10 PM
There was a lot of that in both of the 911R (Moke and Mark 1 Cooper S that both didn't make reserve) auctions too..

I see someone called out MiniGuy for bidding prices up without being a serious buyer.....

$35K on the Red Cooper S with 5 days to go, last bit was a $5K jump.

I just made a comment, let's see if mine gets flagged.....the othe two showed up in my feed for a few minutes - they were commenting that MiniGuy wasn't a serious bidder and was just bidding the price up - I responded in kind...we'll see what happens.
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Post by: BruceK on August 30, 2018, 03:28:04 PM
There was a lot of that in both of the 911R (Moke and Mark 1 Cooper S that both didn't make reserve) auctions too

Yeah, but I looked back at the comment history for both people involved this time, and neither of them has been a douche in the comments before.  Curious. 
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on August 30, 2018, 04:37:50 PM

I just made a comment, let's see if mine gets flagged.....the othe two shoed up in my feed for a few minutes - they were commenting that MiniGuy wasn't a serious bidder and was just bidding the price up - I responded in kind...we'll see what happens.

I don't get a feed - didn't even know that was an option.


Well, regarding MiniGuy, I agree he's not a serious bidder.  When I looked a few months ago he had bid on like 50+ cars, and never came close to buying one of them.  But lately, I have not seen him do the self-promotion thing saying "my website is my username plus .com" type of comments.  Perhaps he just stopped doing it.  Anyway, his bids don't hurt anything or derail the auction - he taps out well before the bids get close to the selling price.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on September 01, 2018, 06:52:23 AM
New photos up on the blue '77 Mini showing the underbody.  Not exactly rust-free.  But it was never claimed to be either.  I'm going to guess this car will go for about $12K.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on September 02, 2018, 07:29:29 PM
The red Cooper S just took another $5K jump to $40K
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on September 02, 2018, 08:28:18 PM
I think it might set a new all-time high for Minis on BaT.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: velopackrat on September 03, 2018, 08:52:25 AM
Is the BaT record $56.5K for that Mk2?  Bidding is a fun thing to watch, contenders stepping up early to burn off the poser-bidders.  But the heart of the matter is those last few minutes...
 I'll wager $58K.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on September 04, 2018, 10:39:01 AM
Bidding up to $41k on the red/black S now i think it will do $55k. They just did a start up video 50 plus pounds idling oil pressure sounds just like a Mini should, there should be no surprises with this one as they say "they are only original once".
The blue LHD needs a little work but looks solid and should do well.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on September 04, 2018, 10:49:22 AM
MiniDave,

To mirror what you said, the market is beyond the norm and not just for Minis.  Much like the stock market.  So guess what?  If/when a correction takes place, these high water marks we're seeing will come back down.  Not that it helps us working class Mini nuts. And while gold and diamonds take up little space and hold value, you can't drive them:(
I'll store this built 1275 motor a bit longer then, hoping for a cheap shell to come along.  They sound so good at 6K rpm...

My grandson who's also a car nut can't wait for the correction to happen, he's got his eyes on some 60's muscle cars. Just waiting for the boomers to start loosing their licenses so he can scoop something up at pennies on the dollar.

Not sure if it has been mentioned but speaking of silly money for cars did anyone see that Paul Mc Cartney's old Cooper S just sold for an eye watering $236,000 USD more than double what Ringo's fetched. Not sure but this has to be a world record price for a Mini.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: gr8kornholio on September 04, 2018, 10:56:31 AM
Not sure if it has been mentioned but speaking of silly money for cars did anyone see that Paul Mc Cartney's old Cooper S just sold for an eye watering $236,000 USD more than double what Ringo's fetched. Not sure but this has to be a world record price for a Mini.

Aww, to have more dollars than cents.  ;D  Part of me is glad cause it preserves stuff that should be, but man 236K for I guess a piece of art/history so I guess if you look at it that way it's pretty cheap.  Rationalize!
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on September 04, 2018, 01:02:54 PM
The original red Mk. I Cooper S is now bid to $62K with 40 minutes still to go.  Wowsers.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: gr8kornholio on September 04, 2018, 01:37:12 PM
Watching it live.  Fake bidding has now come up in the conversation.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on September 04, 2018, 01:44:26 PM
I'm watching live too. Some serious bids back and forth!
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on September 04, 2018, 01:45:58 PM
Holy crap!  It's at $80K right now!!!!!!
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on September 04, 2018, 01:48:23 PM
And that was the winning bid:  $80,000 for an original Mk. I Cooper S.   

Stunned.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on September 04, 2018, 02:40:25 PM
"They are only original once"
And if you want that originality you are going to pay for it.
Really it is not surprising when you consider the all original regular early Mini which was a non runner and bought $52k or so a while back.
I heard that the buyer of Mc Cartneys Mini was the same buyer that bought Ringo's Mini Geri H? (Spice girls).
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on September 04, 2018, 03:27:56 PM
When you think back a little bit, saying something was 'original' (as it applies to cars), was not a desired quality until pretty recently.  Original condition usually meant it was beat to hell and needed to be restored.  And a restoration was needed to bring it back to 'as original condition', meaning that magic point in time when it was brand new. Pebble Beach is the epitome of that (although most of the stuff there falls into the much-much-nicer-than-it-came-out-of-the-factory category. 


I can see where original has it's place in the art world of unique creations, but with mass-produced goods like automobiles, is this original thing just a passing fad?  Or is it a big change in thinking?
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: gr8kornholio on September 04, 2018, 04:02:01 PM
Time will tell.  All that is certain is right now is the time to sell that original preserved car.  The trend may continue and prices may go up, but if I had one it'd be for sale today. 

Makes you wonder what's more valuable now.  A full on completely accurate nut and bolt restoration that is fully back to original spec with all matching date coded stuff.  Or a used/preserved never been touched car like that Cooper S.

In the current atmosphere I'd say the used one. 
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Whee on September 04, 2018, 04:13:42 PM
the used/preserved. You can always restore, you can never go back.

and I'd be a seller too right now :)
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on September 05, 2018, 08:58:33 AM
Wonder if it will get some sort of 'bounce' from the much more expensive Mk. I Cooper S being sold at the same time? Definitely different Minis, but this could appeal to someone who gets pumped up about the other car, but wants something more affordable.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1977-mini-mk-iv/


Just 6 hours left on this auction.  And I think this Mini is going to benefit somewhat by association from the massive $80K selling price of the other car.   My guess is this will be over $15K, perhaps up to $18K.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on September 05, 2018, 03:17:50 PM
The blue '77 Mini just sold for $17,000.   I think it did get a bit of a bounce from the Mk. I Cooper S. 
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on September 05, 2018, 03:32:01 PM
I forgot to watch the end of this one....I think you're right. I also think that the blue one represents a way better deal, since you can drive and enjoy it, where the other one will only be worth less as it ages, especially if it gets driven.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on September 05, 2018, 04:00:50 PM
I forgot to watch the end of this one....I think you're right. I also think that the blue one represents a way better deal, since you can drive and enjoy it, where the other one will only be worth less as it ages, especially if it gets driven.

Or... the red one will be worth less if the whole hyper-valuing originality trend loses traction.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: gr8kornholio on September 05, 2018, 06:00:21 PM
Makes me feel better about what I'm spending on mine.   77.gif
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on September 06, 2018, 07:39:04 AM
One and a half Minis just popped up on BaT.  This time there is no need to bring a trailer!  ;D


I wonder how this combination will appeal to someone looking for a Mini.  Is the trailer an unexpected bonus?  Or an unwanted accessory?


https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1980-austin-mini/

(https://cdn.bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/1980_austin_mini_1534366234cfcd2P1010181-2-940x648.jpg)

(https://cdn.bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/1980_austin_mini_15343663435d565ef66e7dffDSCN1305-2-620x502.jpg)

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Post by: gr8kornholio on September 06, 2018, 08:24:44 AM
Darn it Bruce, thought I was going to beat you to posting this.  Engine bay needs a cleaning to match the rest of the car.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on September 06, 2018, 08:53:11 AM
Yeah, the rest of the car looks pretty nice, but that engine bay has been neglected big time.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on September 06, 2018, 10:26:17 AM
Don't know about the MINI emblems.....but the car looks nice! I think the trailer is a bonus, if you don't want it you can always sell it. I haven't seen one of these trailers done with the squared off corners like this.....

And what's with the Michelin man in the grill?
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on September 06, 2018, 10:31:27 AM
Don't know about the MINI emblems.....

Why donít you like them?
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on September 06, 2018, 10:32:43 AM
I'm undecided, I do kinda like them.....

998 pulling a trailer, I guess that's OK on flat ground but when you hit hills it would struggle.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on September 06, 2018, 10:35:44 AM
Those Mini badges are appropriate for the later non-Cooper Minis, and with those 12Ē wheels thatís what this car resembles.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on September 06, 2018, 10:38:43 AM
Mike Smith out of BC built one of these trailers to pull behind his car, but he has a D series Vtec so it will haul it easily.

This looks like a clean solid Mini.....wonder what it will do?
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: gr8kornholio on September 06, 2018, 12:16:09 PM
I'm going badgeless on mine.  Not finding a lot of historical data on Australian cars.  What I have found says they were under the Morris name, but mine has an Austin vin which matches the title so it came to this country with it.  Of course it is removable so who knows.  It is a 65 vin which matches the car year which I guess is also an assumption cause it was this way for a while in Australia.  I like the smooth look too. 

The semi crusty blue one did 17K so I'd "expect" this to do better but who knows.  Going to need all those detailed underbody shots first.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on September 06, 2018, 07:39:04 PM
Even the seller admits the car is let down by the nasty engine compartment
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on September 06, 2018, 09:04:03 PM

The semi crusty blue one did 17K so I'd "expect" this to do better but who knows.  Going to need all those detailed underbody shots first.

I dunno.  The blue one had a 1275 and seemed sporty (why just count the go-faster stickers!  ;D ) .  This white one looks great (other than under the bonnet) but itís a milder looking Mini and has a 998. 
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Whee on September 07, 2018, 06:27:58 PM
I'm going badgeless on mine.  Not finding a lot of historical data on Australian cars.  What I have found says they were under the Morris name, but mine has an Austin vin which matches the title so it came to this country with it.  Of course it is removable so who knows.  It is a 65 vin which matches the car year which I guess is also an assumption cause it was this way for a while in Australia.  I like the smooth look too. 

The semi crusty blue one did 17K so I'd "expect" this to do better but who knows.  Going to need all those detailed underbody shots first.


The Australian Mini expertise is on http://www.ausmini.com/forums/index.php
I actually tracked down past history on my car there.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on September 08, 2018, 02:10:52 PM
Another Mini has popped up on BaT.   This looks to be a pretty clean Mini Mk. V with a 1275 added.  And the subframes are painted blue!  ;D

I think this car will do a lot better than the nice white Mini.  I can see this one going to the high teens or breaking $20K

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1986-austin-mini-2/

(https://cdn.bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/1986_austin_mini_1536087982d598f3c19ScreenHunter-557-940x675.png)

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on September 08, 2018, 03:22:06 PM
I think you're right that this one will bring more money - it presents better and has the big motor. The good thing about the blue subframes is you know they've been off the car and probably inspected, cleaned, blasted and painted - and I'll bet all the suspension bits are new or refurbished too.

I don't understand the holes in the floor pan don't go thru into the interior thoÖ..is there a second set of floor pans grafted over the original blue ones? Simple fix, some rubber plugs in the holes!
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on September 08, 2018, 05:19:58 PM
And another Mini show up on BaT.   This one is dressed a little differently, but it's Mini underneath.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1968-mini-unipower-gt-competition/

(https://cdn.bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/1968_mini_unipower_gt_competition_1536106320013d4DSCF2481-2-940x623.jpg)
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on September 08, 2018, 06:08:26 PM
The best part of that listing is the video of the car on track from the Abarth! It looks like a tiny Ford GT from that angle   ;D
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on September 09, 2018, 12:31:35 PM
Yeah, the rest of the car looks pretty nice, but that engine bay has been neglected big time.
The white car has the seams under the headlights and behind the doors filled in presumably before the respray. Having spent most of its life in the UK it is not surprising along with the solid but not great looking floor repair.
I agree the blue car looks like a better deal.
The Unipower is a rare one to come up for sale and with racing history too it should do well there are not too many around.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: gr8kornholio on September 09, 2018, 03:47:33 PM
So I posted it on BaT and britbits agreed.  Picture 25 really makes the front wheel look WAY forward in the well. Other than bad camera angle what would cause this?
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on September 09, 2018, 04:44:16 PM
Caster set differently side to side....lengthening or shortening the tie bar will pull the wheel forward or move it back which changes the caster setting.

Just checked, the car does have adjustable tie bars.

I think the wheels on the car look weird with the sport pack arches, needs the 13's that come with them to look right. Putting some spacers on those 12's would help, moving them out closer to the edge of the arch. Supposed to have hi-los, lowering it some would help the looks too.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: gr8kornholio on September 09, 2018, 05:32:50 PM
Thatís what I was thinking. Seller just kind of blew it off so whatever.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Vikram on September 10, 2018, 04:30:12 AM
Man, I love that unipower. I'm curious to see what it sells for.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on September 10, 2018, 06:45:30 PM
Now a 1989 Japanese spec Mini with a/c on bat with no reserve.
Looks good on the underside just needing the usual maintenance items but there is some scuttle rust. It says the miles/km's are low but as it has a 1275 and the speedometer has been changed to the center binnacle set up, also i believe all 1989 J spec Mini's had 998's so miles should be tmu.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on September 11, 2018, 10:40:54 AM
Now a 1989 Japanese spec Mini with a/c on bat with no reserve.
Looks good on the underside just needing the usual maintenance items but there is some scuttle rust. It says the miles/km's are low but as it has a 1275 and the speedometer has been changed to the center binnacle set up, also i believe all 1989 J spec Mini's had 998's so miles should be tmu.

Hmmmm.  a no reserve auction is going to be interesting. Yeah, I agree it would have been a 998 car.  So either the year is off, or somebody installed a 1275 and went to the trouble of fitting a/c too.

Here's a link to it:  https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1989-mini-mk-v/

(https://cdn.bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/1989_mini_mk_v_15366003058cbe183b9DSC03372-940x650.jpg)
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on September 11, 2018, 01:32:57 PM
It probably came with a/c Bruce as the 99X vin number is a Japanese one, the UK one would have been SAXX and is usually still on the car from previous ones i have seen and owned.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on September 11, 2018, 02:05:40 PM
Right.  I meant re-fitting a/c after installing the 1275 engine.  I can imagine that was a fun job to do.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on September 12, 2018, 06:38:12 PM
The white Mini with the trailer received a whole lot of little incremental bids from a wide variety of bidders at the end of the auction who kept bidding in the final 30 seconds, keeping the ending auction alive for 2 more minutes with each new bid.

It went from $6,350 in the final hour to $11,000 where it finally sold. 


I think that's a good price considering how clean the Mini was (excepting under the bonnet), plus the bonus of the trailer. 
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on September 12, 2018, 08:09:40 PM
Surprised to see the guy that bought it is in the UK, with shipping, fees etc this will be about $15K to his door....or about £11,500. Seems a lot for a UK guy to pay for a Mini, even with a trailer and a wicker picnic basket.

The light blue one is already at $10K, so I expect it to do closer to your estimate of $15K....which makes the white one a pretty good deal by comparison.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on September 13, 2018, 07:47:49 AM
Surprised to see the guy that bought it is in the UK, with shipping, fees etc this will be about $15K to his door....or about £11,500. Seems a lot for a UK guy to pay for a Mini, even with a trailer and a wicker picnic basket.

Yeah, that is kind of crazy.  Like importing "coal to Newcastle" as the Brits say.  Having seen a bunch of nice Minis for sale recently in the UK, I am puzzled why someone there would seek out this Mini to re-import there - it would be cheaper to buy one locally, or build one there.  Especially with the strength of the dollar against the pound.  Perhaps sentimental reasons were the reason for the purchase? 

The light blue one is already at $10K, so I expect it to do closer to your estimate of $15K....which makes the white one a pretty good deal by comparison.

The one with the blue subframes?  It's rust-free and looks to be in good shape, so I think it will do better than the dark blue Mini with some rust that sold last week for $17K.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: gr8kornholio on September 13, 2018, 10:04:47 AM
rust-free  :D every time I read that in an add I think yea right, you got full body, every step of the way, pictures of the rebuild. 
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on September 13, 2018, 11:22:19 AM
rust-free  :D every time I read that in an add I think yea right, you got full body, every step of the way, pictures of the rebuild.

Good point.  I should have said it doesn't have visible rust that I can see in photos. 
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: gr8kornholio on September 13, 2018, 12:25:31 PM
Of course this knowledge is only recent to me since I've been working on mine cause I was told the same thing.  Oh yea it's rust free, it's an Australian import.  Uh huh.   :-[
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on September 13, 2018, 08:13:16 PM
Rust free just means you don't pay extra for it!   ;D
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on September 14, 2018, 04:06:19 PM
Wow, the blue Mini with the blue subframes was only bid to $12,250 and went Reserve Not Met.   My thinking was this was a much nicer Mini than the one that sold for $17K last week and should have commanded at least that much, if not more.   I'm not surprised at the RNM at that price.

Perhaps all eyes are on the Japanese Mini with a/c that is being sold at no reserve?
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: gr8kornholio on September 14, 2018, 04:33:10 PM
Yea, I even pointed it out to RLove who bid on that mini and then mentioned he regretted selling his RHD AC mini.  Umm hello, there is one on BaT right now.  And they are both in TX.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Vikram on September 15, 2018, 03:59:11 PM
A bit late, but I realised that unipower went for $43250 RNM. Seller wanted 50k.
I am very surprised, I understand that it is rare but I would have thought that 43 is the best he would have gotten anywhere. After reading the comments, it appears he did not even make clear that the reserve was so high...
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on September 15, 2018, 04:59:25 PM
A bit late, but I realised that unipower went for $43250 RNM. Seller wanted 50k.
I am very surprised, I understand that it is rare but I would have thought that 43 is the best he would have gotten anywhere. After reading the comments, it appears he did not even make clear that the reserve was so high...

I forgot about the Unipower.   Yes, I agree with you that $43K seemed like it was enough.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on September 17, 2018, 04:41:25 PM
The silver Mini with a/c just sold for $9,600.   What a deal.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on September 17, 2018, 04:50:54 PM
Yep, I wonder if the bloom is off the rose again and prices will return to a more realistic level?? Or was it just fortuitous timing on the part of the buyer?
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on September 17, 2018, 05:09:40 PM
Who knows?   Still surprising that the dark blue one with some rust sold for $17,000.   Yet the last two havenít had very impressive bids.   Perhaps the $80,000 for the Mk I Cooper S took all the air out of the room.