Restoration-Mini

Technical Forums => Restorations => Topic started by: AndrewR on September 22, 2014, 12:15:58 PM

Title: Lowly Gentlemen : '74 Mini Build
Post by: AndrewR on September 22, 2014, 12:15:58 PM
I figured it was about time for me to join in and share here. I've been friends with MtyMous for a few years now and when I started looking around for repair panels, he sent me Dan's way. Dan's service has been fantastic and it has made the slow restoration project that much easier.

A little over a year ago, I purchased a 1974 Mini. Minis have been my dream car since I was a child, so this is my first real jump into the world of Classic Minis. I'm not quite patient enough to do a complete restoration and the body is in decent shape for the car its age, so I'll really just be replacing the real rust problem areas which seem to be relegated to the front corners of the floor, the sills, and the rear valence....all the places you'd expect. The end goal is a nice, fun, little driver.

For now, I'll let the photos tell the story.

(http://cdn.stanceworks.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/andrewsmini.jpg)

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7437/9587975506_34dbe80965_b.jpg)

Purchased a spare 1275 for the impending engine build that will replace the current 998

(http://stancedesign.powweb.com/LowlyGentlemen/Austinmini/austin-mini-1275-engine-lowlygentlemen.jpg)

(http://stancedesign.powweb.com/LowlyGentlemen/Austinmini/austin-mini-1300-1275.jpg)

(http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5477/12595752015_72e37a07e8_o.jpg)

The other portion of the impending engine build...a BMW K1100 engine to lend its head to the cause.

(http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3821/12839022565_8a5e309d56_o.jpg)

(http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2882/12839095063_0f074cc84b_o.jpg)

I'm not sure these will actually end up seeing use, but I scored a deal on a set of 10x4 SSR Impuls in Japan that I couldn't pass up.

(http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2886/12844547054_0623f0065a_o.jpg)

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Mock up for fun

(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7213/13547257604_3b73d4529b_b.jpg)

Title: Re: Lowly Gentlemen : '74 Mini Build
Post by: AndrewR on September 22, 2014, 12:21:42 PM
So, then it was time to dive into the rust repair. I stripped out the interior and started poking away to see what I had in front of me.

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The previous owner decided to simply hack away at the rear parcel shelf while installing a pair of 6x9 speakers back there. I'm not quite sure how one can manage an install so poorly.

(https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3747/13592525084_9737581776_b.jpg)

1275 disassembly

(http://stancewords.stanceworks.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/1275-flywheel-puller.jpg)

(http://stancewords.stanceworks.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/Austin-Mini-1275-1300.jpg)

998 removal

(https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3851/14200900438_21d76e03a1_o.jpg)

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Organizing and labeling the wiring rats nest

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The results of a poorly executed sill patch that was simply welded on top of the already rotting sill...which led to even more rotting.

(https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2938/14387501165_166005703e_o.jpg)

Attending to the rear valence and mocking up the replacement panel.

(https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3882/15117027298_c84d89c4ca_b.jpg)

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Fabbing up some plugs for the head conversion

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A very dirty rear suspension disassembled and sorted

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(https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5575/15291537286_bb10f37651_o.jpg)
Title: Re: Lowly Gentlemen : '74 Mini Build
Post by: Merlin on September 22, 2014, 12:33:04 PM
WOW, I will be looking forward to your posts. Your pictures are like automotive porn. Its good to have a fellow K-head swapper.
Title: Re: Lowly Gentlemen : '74 Mini Build
Post by: 94touring on September 23, 2014, 06:07:32 AM
Andrew, thanks for sharing!
Title: Re: Lowly Gentlemen : '74 Mini Build
Post by: sparetimetoys on September 23, 2014, 09:56:40 AM
Please share more info on the BMW head swap.  Other than blocking off those couple of places what else do you have to do to put that head on?
Title: Re: Lowly Gentlemen : '74 Mini Build
Post by: MtyMous on September 23, 2014, 11:15:43 AM
Great to see you posting over here. The pictures are ridiculously good and I'm still jealous.

Larry, if you want to know more about the conversion, I recommend looking as this site and following links there/checking out their builders guide.

http://www.twinkam.co.uk/shop/page/9?shop_param= (http://www.twinkam.co.uk/shop/page/9?shop_param=)
Title: Re: Lowly Gentlemen : '74 Mini Build
Post by: wevebeenhad on September 23, 2014, 02:42:58 PM
I would hang these photos in my house, this is indeed like mini porn. You should frame these at least in your garage when done. love it. Keep at it, should be solid.  77.gif
Title: Re: Lowly Gentlemen : '74 Mini Build
Post by: Merlin on September 23, 2014, 05:54:59 PM
Larry,

I bought the book from SC and I was unimpressed with the lack of great information from it. If you want a copy...I bet it can be arranged.
Title: Re: Lowly Gentlemen : '74 Mini Build
Post by: sparetimetoys on September 23, 2014, 08:50:53 PM
Quote from: Merlin on September 23, 2014, 05:54:59 PM
Larry,

I bought the book from SC and I was unimpressed with the lack of great information from it. If you want a copy...I bet it can be arranged.

I just am a nut about seeing how things that were never intended to go to gether are made to work.
Title: Re: Lowly Gentlemen : '74 Mini Build
Post by: Mudhen on September 24, 2014, 02:08:06 AM
I have an old rusted hacked apart subframe...wondering if you can take some pictures of it so I can sell it for a million dollars... :-\

Welcome aboard!  Can't wait to see how that cylinder head goes...  4.gif

Pat
Title: Re: Lowly Gentlemen : '74 Mini Build
Post by: 94touring on September 29, 2014, 12:18:04 PM
It's your lucky day, I broke all the welds for you! 
Title: Re: Lowly Gentlemen : '74 Mini Build
Post by: AndrewR on September 30, 2014, 10:14:33 AM
Quote from: 94touring on September 29, 2014, 12:18:04 PM
It's your lucky day, I broke all the welds for you!

You're my hero! Thank you  4.gif
Title: Re: Lowly Gentlemen : '74 Mini Build
Post by: Mudhen on September 30, 2014, 11:31:48 AM
Quote from: 94touring on September 29, 2014, 12:18:04 PM
It's your lucky day, I broke all the welds for you!

If you have a sec can you measure across the front of that thing?  Mine apparently shrunk in the wash...guessing my Mk1 roof doesn't quite match the MkV shell.

Thx
Title: Re: Lowly Gentlemen : '74 Mini Build
Post by: 94touring on September 30, 2014, 11:56:32 AM
Well it's been shipped but it's roughly 44x14 inches if I remember.
Title: Re: Lowly Gentlemen : '74 Mini Build
Post by: AndrewR on September 30, 2014, 12:08:31 PM
I'll give it a measure once it arrives.
Title: Re: Lowly Gentlemen : '74 Mini Build
Post by: AndrewR on October 03, 2014, 07:32:29 PM
Quote from: Mudhen on September 30, 2014, 11:31:48 AM
Quote from: 94touring on September 29, 2014, 12:18:04 PM
It's your lucky day, I broke all the welds for you!

If you have a sec can you measure across the front of that thing?  Mine apparently shrunk in the wash...guessing my Mk1 roof doesn't quite match the MkV shell.

Thx

Corner to corner it's about 44 3/8"...just shy of 44.5"
Title: Re: Lowly Gentlemen : '74 Mini Build
Post by: Mudhen on October 05, 2014, 04:24:29 AM
I guess I'm just not sure how that fits in - mine measures about that, but body to body is 46" so there's a 1" gap all the way around it.   8.gif
Title: Re: Lowly Gentlemen : '74 Mini Build
Post by: 94touring on October 05, 2014, 05:05:49 AM
Correct, there is a gap on the ends. 
Title: Re: Lowly Gentlemen : '74 Mini Build
Post by: sparetimetoys on October 05, 2014, 08:19:21 AM
Quote from: 94touring on October 05, 2014, 05:05:49 AM
Correct, there is a gap on the ends.

The gap on the ends is where the wiring harness came up out of the boot and around the left hand glass on mine
Title: Re: Lowly Gentlemen : '74 Mini Build
Post by: AndrewR on October 06, 2014, 09:58:46 AM
Yup, exactly what those guys said....it LOOKS like it's supposed to go right to the c-pillar, but there's actually a gap on either side and it's only attached at the front and along the back. The brake light wires and such run up the left side and mine has the foam that seems to fill many of the gaps in the car.

You can see the gap of my original panel on the right here:

(https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3935/15273611999_ab2a2d5d9d_o.jpg)
Title: Re: Lowly Gentlemen : '74 Mini Build
Post by: Mudhen on October 06, 2014, 10:24:11 AM
Ha...never knew that - cool, thx!!!  Boy does it look hoaky...if that's a word...   ::)
Title: Re: Lowly Gentlemen : '74 Mini Build
Post by: sparetimetoys on October 07, 2014, 08:49:48 AM
Quote from: Mudhen on October 06, 2014, 10:24:11 AM
Ha...never knew that - cool, thx!!!  Boy does it look hoaky...if that's a word...   ::)

Here is mine you can see the foam they stuffed in to seal it off.
Title: Re: Lowly Gentlemen : '74 Mini Build
Post by: AndrewR on October 07, 2014, 09:12:56 AM
So on the more recent panels, there are two holes that are obviously for speakers on later model cars....but does anyone know what the holes are for on the early model panels? They have two holes on each side that suggest something would bolt to them?

(https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3929/15274862849_816482fa16_b.jpg)
Title: Re: Lowly Gentlemen : '74 Mini Build
Post by: AndrewR on October 19, 2014, 07:21:11 PM
This is a rather minor update, but as this is my first foray into restoration work and this panel stands as my first (of many) panels in the project, it felt pretty great sliding it into place and seeing that it fit like a glove. I cut out the old haggard panel that had been butchered for speakers and replaced it with the early model panel. I need to go back and prep for welding and then it'll be ready to really go in. Everything lines up nicely and should be a rather simple job.

Before:

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After:

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Title: Re: Lowly Gentlemen : '74 Mini Build
Post by: 94touring on October 20, 2014, 04:38:37 AM
Nicely done.  Did you have much trouble breaking the welds off your panel?
Title: Re: Lowly Gentlemen : '74 Mini Build
Post by: AndrewR on October 20, 2014, 07:17:36 AM
Quote from: 94touring on October 20, 2014, 04:38:37 AM
Nicely done.  Did you have much trouble breaking the welds off your panel?

I figured the drilling and prying would've done more damage than good along the seat back so I cut the old panel out right along the flange.
Title: Re: Lowly Gentlemen : '74 Mini Build
Post by: 94touring on October 20, 2014, 09:57:55 AM
If you have an air chisel you may be able to clean up what's left.  I had good luck removing it that way.
Title: Re: Lowly Gentlemen : '74 Mini Build
Post by: AndrewR on October 20, 2014, 10:10:44 AM
Quote from: 94touring on October 20, 2014, 09:57:55 AM
If you have an air chisel you may be able to clean up what's left.  I had good luck removing it that way.

I may have to add that to the tool collection because I still need to break free the last few stubborn spot welds on the rear valance
Title: Re: Lowly Gentlemen : '74 Mini Build
Post by: 94touring on October 20, 2014, 10:31:11 AM
It's an invaluable tool for body work and panel removal.   Take your time with it cause it will tear metal to shreds too.
Title: Re: Lowly Gentlemen : '74 Mini Build
Post by: MtyMous on October 20, 2014, 03:45:16 PM
I use my air chisel to loosen up ball joints in a jiffy, too. Mine is a cheap-ish Kobalt with a decent set of tops. I love it.
Title: Re: Lowly Gentlemen : '74 Mini Build
Post by: AndrewR on October 22, 2014, 05:17:57 PM
Perhaps you guys will have some tips...what's the best way to strip the old paint off this panel so it's all clean when it gets welded in? Chemical paint stripper? Blasting? I figure it's best to get all the old paint off and primer it before it goes in.
Title: Re: Lowly Gentlemen : '74 Mini Build
Post by: 94touring on October 22, 2014, 05:57:53 PM
With all the indents and it's size, if you can't find someone to blast it quick and cheap, strippers and/or wire wheel. 
Title: Re: Lowly Gentlemen : '74 Mini Build
Post by: MtyMous on October 22, 2014, 06:20:32 PM
Blasting will give you the best result and is the easiest... if you have the equipment or money to pay someone.

Chemical strippers work well if there's no bondo or anything on the panel but will still leave some left overs and require a bit of manual removal. And you have to make sure the residue is cleaned off as well so it doesn't contaminate your paint job. No big deal really. That's what I used for the really big flat panels when I stripped Tink.

Wire wheel will do a great job, but can suck trying to get it into strange corners and stuff. I also used an angled die grinder with sanding discs for some portions.

I used a combo of all of the above on Tink.
Title: Re: Lowly Gentlemen : '74 Mini Build
Post by: AndrewR on October 26, 2014, 04:41:19 PM
My buddy is using our welder, so I prepared a few panels in the meantime.

The rear seat had some rust working its way through above the rear subframe.

(https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5603/15634225921_380f8ff6db_o.jpg)

(https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3953/15450257359_292b3411eb_o.jpg)

Since the car will be getting a cage, I went ahead and removed the rear door bins and trimmed the rear seat bottom. There's still some final clean up that needs to be done on both.

(https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5606/15634227161_dc9a40fb08_o.jpg)

And with plans to run a center exit exhaust, I figured I would shave the side exit while the valance was still off and sitting around the shop.

(https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3949/15634228261_03544fe014_o.jpg)